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Alienz
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Posted on Sunday, December 09, 2007 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

He has already raised nearly $11 Million in contributions has swept nearly every straw poll out there. Look at the results:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/

What's going on here?
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Bubby
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Who's Ron Paul?....:-)
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Alienz
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 06:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Exactly my point.
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Bubby
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 07:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I listened to him and he sounds like a Mr Rogers neighborhood character.Puddin' n spice and everything nice.He wouldn't last five minutes in the political/gladiator arena.They would have him for breakfast.Not that I am a lover of politics,but I do know reality extremely well,and the reality is Ron Paul is too skinny,and the first brisk wind that came along,would blow him into the next continent,and we would have to send troops to recover him.
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Bubby
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 07:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Eleven million dollars is pocket change for Oprah..I think she's running for Vice President for Hussein Obama.
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Alienz
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

The fact that people would choose a president based on their voice or physical appearance is exactly why this country is in such decay. Ron Paul is the only candidate that is making sense, the only one who believes in bringing out the real facts about 9/11, for instance.

But the next president has already been decided by the people running the country, and it isn't Obama. They have other plans.
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Njaeok
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Alienz --
I gather you take the elitist secret government theory seriously.
How do you feel about the MJ-12 notion?
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Sounds terse and pithy to me Jimbo...:-)
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Njaeok
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Ya Bubs I reckon terse and pithy is a good description if you say the pithy part slowly.
Wy writing research has brought me in contact with some strange notions. It seems that UFOology is appearing in nearly every subject one sets out to research. I'm getting impatient with gleeful introductions to big eyed Greys,the tall Nordics and the evil Reptilians to name a few. On the fringes of UFOlogy are the Cryptzoological characters like the chupacabra, Sasquatch, Owl man, Moth man and so on ad infinitum. It's like Mother Goose stories from hell.
Alienz declaration that he knew who is asssigned by the secret controllers to be the next President kind of kicked in my irritation with all the the current paranoia political or otherwise.

Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Alienz
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 06:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I would give you the Moth man thing, but if you believe that UFOs and government conspiracies don't exist, then I have some swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell.
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Bubby
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 06:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I would believe half of that statement,for that part I've seen in action.The UFO rhetoric is old hat.You spent a day in Roswell? I grew up there,so tell me all about it.The proof is in the pudding.Ron Paul has seen UFO's and I believe him about as much as I believe Al Gore inventing the internet.I'll bet you are a global warming alarmist also...another Al Gore invention.Talk to the people back east that are snowed in.They know a snow job when they see one.
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Njaeok
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

LOL Alienz.
I have more real estate in the form of swamp land then I can see to now. That and my Ocean front property in Arkansas is my big retirement plan. Either way it goes one or the other is going to be some real valuable real estate in a few hundred years.
As for UFOology and government conspiracies, I just don't know anything of the former and would be severly shocked and surprised to learn that the latter didn't happen. It is the nature of the political beast to conspire with one's friends for the moment and try to keep plans and secrets secret. The drama gets so intense that otherwise intelligent adults go crazy and start killing one another.
I would be just as surprised to learn that we on planet earth are the only life forms in the universe but I have never been introduced to an exterristal or had a conversation with anyone who could convince me that they have. So I just go on with my life neither believing nor disbelieving until something impacts my life to convince me one way or the other.
Actually there are a few rare fairy tales from hell that are written with real talent and are downright entertaining. There is a popular radio program called Coast to Coast that does an excellent job of presenting a large variety of supernatural, crypto-zoological and UFO themes for your entertainment. If you like to listen to such themes presented directly from the authors of best selling books sans the usual snickering, bickering and arguments; you can Goggle "C2C" and find the radio station in your area that carries the show.
I suscribe via streamlink as an antidote to the midnight blues that come around ever now and then while my muse is being uncooperative.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Alienz
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

It isn't very logical to disbelieve in UFOs when millions have witnessed and photographed them. Just because some of them have been determined fake does not discredit the others. Do you also not believe the high-ranking military personnel who witnessed them? If they are lying, then that in itself is proof of government conspiracies, yes?

I also know people who have seen them and they are not people who are subject to telling lies. And it is hard to be mistaken when someone sees them on the ground in front of them. Just because you have not seen them, nor I, makes them any less a reality. I have never seen the Statue of Liberty, but I am fairly certain that it exists.

Perhaps you should read the book "Passport to Eternity" by Laurence W. Foreman. Skeptics might think it was written to make money. No, because it was distributed in only one book store in the world, not very wise if you want to get rich. Also, it is published in its entirety on the Net for free. Heck! You don't even have to leave your keyboard. My brother met and spoke with this man and is convinced that he was an ordinary guy.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Island/2771/passport/passport-0.htm

Take special notice of when this book was written and realize that the things he claims he was told by "aliens" was not known by scientists in that day.

Oh, and before this thread was hijacked, the subject was Ron Paul. You might want to take a look at this page. Notice the votes for each candidate. Of course, you probably think this has been faked too.

http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/

(Message edited by alienz on December 14, 2007)
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Njaeok
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Alienz ---
Your notion of logic brings serious concerns for our educational system.
To believe is to have confidence in the reality or truth of something without having total proof.
I accept the possibility, even the likelyhood of life existing on other worlds. I accept the possibility of this planet being the only place that life exists. I have a lot more confidence in the former being facdtual then in the latter being factual. But I don't and won't "believe" either possibility in the absence of personal convincing evidence.
Twenty seven years in the military deeply involved in numerous conspiracies to keep important information from the prying eyes of our enemies has taught me that a secret known by five or more people rapidly ceases to be a secret.
The alleged conspiracy to keep Ron Paul's positive attributes from the voting public is likely factual from at least seven different sources. (The other candidates). That is the nature of the political beast and if a candidate doesn't have the skills to overcome the obsticals they don't get to be president. In biology it is called the weeding out process.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Mik3y
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

topicsgo into other topics..no nit pick fiddle ticklin preachin widdle tat tale cracks of matter of phats in ere eh.

Listen. As for UFO's..yeh there are heaps of unidentified objects. But umm bug eyed aliens..yeh not so sure.. someone shud probably check the scientology bible for that kind of information ;)
Michael william James
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Alienz
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Njaeok: Your statements are contradictory. How can: "Life exists on other planets" and "This is the only planet with life" both be true? But you say you believe in both. And you're worried about MY logic?

Any of you:

Do you believe in God?

(Message edited by alienz on December 15, 2007)
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Alienz
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Mik3y:

Oh, sorry... I thought this was a forum for political discussion. I guess I was thrown off by the title of the forum "Political Discussion".

But, judging by your spelling, your reading probably isn't much better.

But you sure put me in my place...
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Mik3y
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Whats not political about UFO's lol chill brah :-)

your write you are absolutly right. my spelln tis attrobituous and this reflects my true intallagence. Word. Call me when you wana dance :D.. like busta groove in d arkades n chat. im a lover not a fighter..ever tripped over a tree..how bouts a root?!
soz bad ralian sense of humour..its in d water down ere
Michael william James
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Sirens~song
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hmmm sorry..but other issues weigh heavily on my mind when it comes to a presidential candidate. If time is going to be spent discussing politicians who are potentially good for the country how about...lets say Tom Tancreado...Fred Thompson...or better yet... a Progressive Democrat from Texas(Ray McMurrey). RonPaul(by the way I would never vote for)...Ive heard his spill and he doesnt have the foggiest clue how to lead this country.
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Alienz
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Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Oh, for sure. It would be terrible if this country ever reverted back to following the Constitution.
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Bubby
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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

With internet hackers having a field day,they can make the numbers up any way they want them...it still doesn't reflect the national polls,which are more reliable..see the following..



Obama, Ron Paul Soar in Web Traffic

Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:32 AM

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Barack Obama has surged to the lead among presidential candidates in the war of the web-} his campaign site on the Internet attracted more visitors in November than any of his Democratic or Republican rivals.


Hillary Clinton has dropped to third among Democrats — and Ron Paul continues to lead all Republican candidates, with nearly twice as many visitors as his nearest GOP rival, Mike Huckabee.


In October, Obama had 589,000 unique visitors to his campaign Web site, barackobama.com, but that number soared to 821,000 visitors in November, according to Nielsen NetRatings projections.


Clinton, meanwhile, in November had barely more than half as many visitors as in October.


In November, libertarian Republican Ron Paul’s site, ronpaul2008.com, counted 673,000 visitors, up from 451,000 in October. Though lagging in national polls, Paul has been running an aggressive Web campaign.


The number of visitors to Republican John McCain’s site plunged to just 94,000 in November, down from 182,000 in October.


Here are the numbers of unique visitors for each of the presidential Web sites, according to NetRatings Inc. projections.



REPUBLICANS


Ron Paul: 673,000

Mike Huckabee: 337,000

Mitt Romney: 229,000

Fred Thompson: 217,000

Rudy Giuliani: 106,000

John McCain: 94,000


DEMOCRATS


Barack Obama: 821,000

John Edwards: 487,000

Hillary Clinton: 355,000

Joe Biden: 178,000

Chris Dodd: 164,000

Bill Richardson: 32,000


Once again NetRatings did not post a number for Dennis Kucinich’s site, which attracted only 6,000 visitors in September

Actually Jimbo leads all candidates with 850,00
hits on his site,every day...Bub is a close second,with 823,415 hits.
Tess is lagging in the polls due to having a full time job,and she can't sing like Slim Whitman.
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Alienz
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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Okay, so Ron Paul leads the next Republican by more than DOUBLE! That's my point, so why isn't he getting media attention?

You don't believe in conspiracies, yet you're saying there is a conspiracy of computer hackers on the Internet making it appear as though Ron Paul is leading?

Try to vote on that site more than once. You can't, they record the IP addresses.

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Njaeok
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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

When the Socialist contolled media started calling Ron Paul "Libertian/Republican" they got my interest.
I tend to be Libertarian in my political attitudes but I have been pretty much disillousined with the Libertian party of late.
The notion of a Libertian/Republican kind of stirs my fancy.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Several things fuel Ron Paul's popularity on the internet.

1. Ron Paul Fanatics email different support groups to maximize vote count on different polls. His lopsided "Wins" are in themselves revealing. Especially when compared to non-internet polls of likely voters - Ron Paul receives less than 1%.

2. People like me vote for him to skew the poll - It's actually kinda funny!

3. They cheat - Ron Paul "Botnet" Spam Scam Uncovered?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=076_1194268772



Alienate Wheaties for breakfast,complete with orange juice...
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Bubby
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 07:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Have you ever heard the maxim-that all truths are half-truths and possibly not even that?
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Bubby
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

More food for thought from another source..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ec_1186683880
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Alienz
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

While you're Googling to try and find instances of poll tampering, maybe you should read more than the headline. This quote is from that very page you linked to:

"Giuliani behind alleged Ron Paul spam?

November 1st, 2007

Sarah Lai Stirland from the magazing WIRED was paid by a Giuliani adviser to publish the Articles “Criminal Botnet Stumps for Ron Paul, Researchers Allege” & “More on Ron Paul Spam” to discredit Ron Paul."

This is what usually occurs when someone has such a large following and the other candidates are running scared.

A "scam" implies illegal activity. Since when is sending spam illegal?
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Bubby
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I don't know of anyone that is running scared from Ron Paul...he's a paper weight politician..
http://www.stephenbainbridge.com/
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Friday, October 26, 2007
An Open Letter to Rep. Ron Paul
Posted by: Michael Medved at 6:30 PM
Dear Congressman Paul:

Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.

Do you welcome- or repudiate – the support of such factions?

More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press –a publication of the nation’s leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the “comforts and amenities” provided for inmates of Auschwitz.

Have your columns appeared in the American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?

As a Presidential candidate, will you now disassociate yourself, clearly and publicly, from the poisonous propaganda promoted in such publications?

As a guest on my syndicated radio show, you answered my questions directly and fearlessly.

Will you now answer these pressing questions, and eliminate all associations between your campaign and some of the most loathsome fringe groups in American society?

Along with my listeners (and many of your own supporters), I eagerly await your response.

Respectfully, Michael Medved

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Alienz
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I have listened to Medved when I lived in Los Angeles. He is such a right-winged wacko.

Ron Paul is correct in stating that the U.S. is to blame for terrorist attacks on this country due to our meddling in other countries and trying to police the world. And he will most likely not win the nomination. The only reason he's running as Republican is because he realizes other parties, like the Libertarian Party, which he ran for president as once before, have no chance because the Republicans and Democrats are really one working together to lock out other parties from fair inclusion. This occurs every time someone becomes popular and is one reason people are fleeing this country in droves.
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I see more people fleeing to this country,than fleeing from it.Fleeing in droves?? I hope Alec Baldwin is amongst the droves.Why do you think we are considering building fences along our border?To keep American citizens from fleeing in droves? I always wanted to be in a cattle drove,or is that drive? Guess I'll flee now...
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

10244 ballots cast

First Choice:
F. Thompson 3069 (30%)
Romney 2316 (22.6%)
Giuliani 1370 (13.4%)
Huckabee 1153 (11.3%)
Gingrich 651 (6.4%)
Tancredo 610 (6%)
Hunter 582 (5.7%)
Brownback 221 (2.2%)
McCain 170 (1.7%)
(none) 102 (1%)

spammers are like telemarketers...vote for me...vote for me.."CLICK"
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Sirens~song
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Where have you been America is not responsible for the terrorists attacks..theyve been going on for centuries. In case you havent noticed..they want us dead because we wont convert to their way of thinking. Do your research. RonPaul is a whack job!! Im interested to see the data on the droves of people fleeing America...that's news to me
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Alienz
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Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

[Bubby]

That is a misconception and is what they want you to believe. The wall is being built to keep Americans INSIDE. Ever heard of the Berlin Wall? Same idea. It wasn't built to keep West Germans out of East Germany.

[Sirens~song]

Terrorist attacks have not been going on for centuries. This country is barely 200 years old. What is the earliest terrorist attack you can think of here from another country?

Ron Paul isn't a whack job and I would consider anyone who thinks so is truly a whack job. Oh, that would be you, sorry.

This forum tires me. I guess I was mistaken thinking a writing forum might be frequented by intelligent open-minded people, but it seems it's all ultra-conservative right-winged wackos.

No offense.

Go ahead, elect another Hitler wanna-be.
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Bubby
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Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Your response is so typical of Liberalism.If you do not agree with them,you become an ultra-conservative right wing-wacko...You left out the radical Christian part...You are free to believe what you are capable of believing.That's what freedom of speach is all about.It's not about attacking someone that has a different mind-set.
Your credibilty just sunk to a new level...all because someone didn't agree with you on Ron Paul.
Never put all your eggs in one basket,my friend.Leave your options open for another day.You will not die if he is not elected,and you will still have freedom of speach;and Jimbo will still treat you with respect.
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Bubby
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Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

ooooh...and terrorists attack's HAVE been going on for centuries.She did not specifically say the U.S. Read the "Age of Faith" by Will Durant,and you will see a different picture of terrorist attacks.Even Mohammed plundered and pillaged caravans;killed and stole their booty.
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Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 01:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Remember remember the 5th of november
"and surely some koan suggests neglect leads to perfection"
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Bubby
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Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 02:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

remember remember the 5th of November
when Grendels brain was much more limber

The Studebaker man roamed in the gloaming
and all of the candidates were mincing and foaming
and none were alert,and all were asleep
when the Iowa caucus sounded a beep
For down in the bowels of old Mother Earth
a new ruler created a most twisted birth
All of the children had blood on their face
and the winner would control the whole human race
Yes ,do remember the 5th of November
and I shall remain a back booth member
and walk the halls with cadence divine
flying a kite with a tail and a long ball of twine
And Grendel will comb most of his hair
and find a new world awaiting there
and time will come steep another strong cup
and the Hip Hops will ask....
whut up???

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Jennifer03801
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Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

"But the next president has already been decided by the people running the country, and it isn't Obama. They have other plans." - Alienz

After seeing how bona fide candidates on both sides have been eliminated from the debates by NBC, ABC, etc., and how the media seems to focus only on certain candidates, one does tend to wonder who's really calling the shots.

Edwards is adressing this issue:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/17/edwards-camp-takes-aim-at-media/

Hopefully, in future, we the people will demand to hear all the candidates, not just those the media selects.

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Jennifer03801
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Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Big Media Interlocks with Corporate America:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0624-25.htm
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Jennifer03801
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Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Interesting piece from the archives:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101623. html

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