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Loveangelique
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Username: Loveangelique

Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hi Catherine, I am sure that you will receive an answer to your enquiry about a youth forum. I really don't have any information about this even though I am on the team, but wanted to let you know that I least read your note here. I don't often come to the forum. I think there are a few young writers on Starlite, and they are good too.. very good.. Ingrid.. (have a good night)
Ingrid (loveangelique on Starlite Cafe)

http://www.amazon.com/Mood-Ingrid-Barlow/dp/1419607901/sr=11-1/qid=1162743584/ref=sr_11_1/104-0338591-2598341
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Catscanfly
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Username: Catscanfly

Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Dear Devin and Site Admin Staff,

Hello there, my name is Catherine. I am a Starliter who has been a member of the site for about 6 years now. I hope all is going great in terms of running the website, and that you are all doing well, in work, family and life.
As some may or perhaps may not remember, almost exactly a month ago I posted three threads in Poet's Square. One was entitled "Youth Forum" and was moved hours after it was posted to the "Sound-Off" forum. The second two that I subsequently posted were both links to that thread, but unfortunately since the Sound Off forum is not moderated and largely less widely read than the Poet Square discussions, my thread received no response from the people to whom it was almost solely addressed- you yourselves.

(Here I include a link to the thread in question for your perusal):
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/discus/messages/130297/133008.html?1220124951

About a month or so prior to posting this thread, I also filled out a 'problem ticket' for site admin voicing my concerns with regards to the long absence of a youth forum for the website, to which I never received a response or any indication of its' having been read. I sent the request a second time, and received similarly no response.

I am aware that this may not be seen as a topic of "general discussion", but please, before this letter of concern is removed, please bear in mind that this is not intended in an aggressive, trouble-stirring or passive-aggressive manner. I, and I think many others would simply like more information on whether the site administrators intend to honour the promised intention of last spring when many of the site's young and teenage writers were assured that a re-designed youth forum was in the works. We just want to know.

I love this website as much as you all do. This matters to me, please, don't remove this thread from its' platform. Please.

Regards and best wishes with hopes of a swift response,

Catherine
"... So don't. Stay here with me. We'll start a jazz band."
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Doc_dyr
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Username: Doc_dyr

Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 02:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

i just answered this in sound off and under another thread if you care to look. I don't want to write a book twicelolololo
I am not admin but can see the difficulties they are having.
doreen
may life give you it's best, and you live life to your best
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Loveangelique
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Username: Loveangelique

Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hi Doreen, I did receive an answer from Renee, and she mentioned to me that she had spoken to Catherine about this, so it seems it is cleared up .. thanks for writing me.. Ingrid
Ingrid (loveangelique on Starlite Cafe)

http://www.amazon.com/Mood-Ingrid-Barlow/dp/1419607901/sr=11-1/qid=1162743584/ref=sr_11_1/104-0338591-2598341
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Devinjeanel
Starlite Administrator
Username: Devinjeanel

Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 09:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

As Doc_dyr mentioned, we tried multiple times to give the teens a challenge area to share their poetry and compete with their peers. This was the days when all challenges had to be created by the Starlite Admins. And, yes we did try many times to give them a place to share their works, and each time there was very little participation.

Private challenges has changed the situation tremendously. Now, youth, seniors, survivors of abuse, pet's rights or any special interest group can create challenges for their friends. Each group now has a place to share their writings to compete with their friends, to connect to other people.

There is no plans to create a chat forum for teenagers as there is also no plans to create a chat forum for the seniors, for the pet rights, or for any special interest group.

We have to remember that Starlite is first and foremost a place to bring poets together. We have forums based on general needs like Reaching Out and Introduce yourself. However, again, we do not plan to add a forum for each special group of people.

I hope this helps.

Live to Love... Love to Live... the perfect circle
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Loveangelique
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Username: Loveangelique

Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hi Devin, all is fine, I just replied to Doreen, as I received the Open Letter in my mail from her.. and just wanted her to know that it was cleared up by Renee.. thanks anyway. Ingrid
Ingrid (loveangelique on Starlite Cafe)

http://www.amazon.com/Mood-Ingrid-Barlow/dp/1419607901/sr=11-1/qid=1162743584/ref=sr_11_1/104-0338591-2598341
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Catscanfly
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Username: Catscanfly

Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Dear Devin,

My inquiry was not with regards to the opportunities afforded to young (or old, or indeed of any age) poets of starlite to assemble on challenge-related forums and enjoy the benefits that such exercises offer. Starlite Challenges are a wonderful outlet and opportunity for all sorts of reasons, but it would be my guess that there were two strong contributing factors in the failure of attempts to introduce Teen challenges as a sole substitute for the absence of the teen forum. These factors are

a.) There was little or no site-wide navigation/publicity/information offered with reagrds to the introduction or location of these teen-specific challenge forums (So few were aware of their introduction to an extent that would seriously impair their chances of being discovered by their target participants)

and

b.) Teens and young writers of Starlite are not deprived with regards to opportunities to showcase/develop/share their writing abilities to a wonderful extent on the already-existing challenge forums. In other words, it is not my belief that it is necessary to dedicate challenge forums to adolescent/young writers; challenges are not generally places where age or stage are evident or relevant- and as such, I believe this superfluousness was also a contributing factor in their failure to attract interest.

The Writes of Passage forums were not a challenge forum, and as such is the case, it is not sufficient (in my opinion) to replace them with one. Rather, the youth forums were a community, a support network, a place of friendship, commonality, debate, mutual appreciation of arts, writing, music, and a place where young people of all ideas, backgrounds, experiences could share in anything, from day-to-day experiences, to problems and dilemmas among their peers to just the genuine pleasure of sharing in a peer-community.

Thank you to all who have participated/contributed to the thread thus far; I am genuinely obliged to your interest and contributions. However, to my mind at least, this matter is not resolved, and I again ask very cordially that any/all members of administration or the larger/wider starlite community please offer constructive feedback/opinion on this issue- I care about it very much.
"... So don't. Stay here with me. We'll start a jazz band."
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Missmarry
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Username: Missmarry

Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

There is no such thing as a forum for Teens or anyone else as we knew them in the past. This is strictly a poem posting site with a place to leave short messages to others. Not a place for entire conversations to take place. This is NOT a home for a family anymore. We all have to learn how to make those families and keep them through our poetry and our personal E-Mail. I constantly watch for the names of the people I care for to pass through my mail as poems or comments on my work or on others work. Just remember we need to depend on each other to stay close as friends and we need to keep quiet in order to keep this site to post our poems. I miss everyone so much -- Mary
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Catscanfly
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Username: Catscanfly

Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank you missmarry for your input,
"... So don't. Stay here with me. We'll start a jazz band."
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Blueeyedbandit
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Username: Blueeyedbandit

Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 06:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I posted an inquirey about why webtv people are un able to vote on the challeneges? They can post their written poems, they can post comments, but are not able to vote... can someone tell me WHY? I asked this question before, but was off here for a short while but I don't remember seeing any comments.... I think this is very unfair, for all their trouble of posting their work and then can't vote on all their friends and families poetry.... Paula
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Rainspirit
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Username: Rainspirit

Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 07:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Paula....I have emailed you about this....Please watch for it
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Missmarry
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Username: Missmarry

Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Paula, We do not post our challenge poems. We have someone with a computer do it for us. The only way we can comment on those poems that are in challenge is if we receive the link. We can not go into challenges and do anything. Web TV is obsolete. But I can not afford a computer so I am happy with my old web.
--- MissMarry
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Clarksdalepoet
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Username: Clarksdalepoet

Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Devin: I've noticed that several poems of mine appear and I count the views. Then the poem is gone and when it returns, the views are changed. Where does it goes? I've navigated through your entire site looking for reasons why I should not post on this site. The reason is Poetry.Com. If you have been in this business long enough then you know what I'm talking about. Where do they go and what happens to the views? Do you use the poems elsewhere which is an honest question. If so, please explain. I'm open to today's market. Talk to me.
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Blueeyedbandit
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Username: Blueeyedbandit

Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I have one more thing to sound off about, and that is why is starlite not following its own rules?
I mean doesn't the rules clearly explain that (Featured Poets are randomly generated picks using the following criteria. Poets must have posted a poem in the last week, have a picture and have at least 5 friends.) Well there is two on here right now who are featured poets, with NO PICTURE!!!!! Now does that make sense to you???
I think every poet should have a real picture of themselves not dumb clip art or what ever.. Again I am sorry if that steps on anyones toes, but rules are made for a reason.... And posting no picture at all is even worse... Paula
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Tinyteddy
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Username: Tinyteddy

Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I have just looked at the featured poets and I see them all with pictures showing.As for the " dumb clip art or what ever " that is their choosing and have a right to do so.Maybe everyone doesn't want to show their real picture and that's their choice.
Put yesterday behind you and don't worry about tomorrow,live for today.
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Rainspirit
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Username: Rainspirit

Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Paula....Not every person online is comfortable with a personal picture on a web site....and that is why we allow a clip art representation.
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Missmarry
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Username: Missmarry

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Then it should state that to be chosen a picture or clipart must be available. A picture is not the same as clip art.
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Doc_dyr
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Username: Doc_dyr

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I think picture is clip art or what ever you want to put there, photo graph would have made it just personal picture but picture can be what ever they want. And I agree not everyone wants there picture on line. clipart is fine why do we need to regulate everything with such sternness takes the fun away doesn't it
doreen
may life give you it's best, and you live life to your best
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Blueeyedbandit
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Username: Blueeyedbandit

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Myh problem with this website is you don't follow your own rules... If you change the rules then why not put it out in writting for everyone to see? These are starlite's wordsa not mine: ("Featured Poets are randomly generated picks using the following criteria. Poets must have posted a poem in the last week, have a picture and have at least 5 friends.) Okay, maybe someone will understand what I am saying....
Why are poets chosen who have NO pictures Or No Clipart as you have stated above?????????
And if your gonna allow CLIPART, then make it clear... SO why are poets chosen who doesn't have either? Paula
BlueeyedBandit
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Blueeyedbandit
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Username: Blueeyedbandit

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

And if you looked and didn't see, then why is the poet ( smp ) been choosen as poet of the day without any picture or clip art? They don't have any picture at all....
BlueeyedBandit
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Rainspirit
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Username: Rainspirit

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Paula...perhaps if you do not like the way things have been done you should open trouble tickets and bring constructive ideas there....those of us who work hard to provide you with a place to post poetry would be happy to listen to reasonable suggestions that would be made.

....We are not perfect, but we do work hard to give you a place that is free of charge, and maintained by hard working volunteers who do CARE very much about the site an ALL its poets...pictures or not!.

The poet of the day is system generated...not chosen by any individual. We would love to see a picture in all profiles...but as I said ..not everyone is comfortable with that....Does that mean we should ignore them as a good and viable posting poet? I think not!

Now this has been hashed over and over in the last few days..........you have had your say...you have been poet of the day.....you have not been ignored....We are happy you are comfortable with a picture in your profile....but not all are.


I will look into making a change to the statement on poet of the day..... Although it is in my eyes not a really huge issue if a talented poet is recognized without a picture in his profile....After all we are a poetry site and that should be the focus.

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Kajuncutie
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Username: Kajuncutie

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Perhaps the poet of the day description can be reworded but in the end is having a picture there or clip art or it not being there that important? I would much rather know that the poets chosen have contributed to the site by posting their poetry and perhaps gaining a reader or two. Isn't this what we are here for, after all? It's what drew me to this site in the beginning and it's what keeps me here...
Do not speak to me loudly so that I might hear you... speak to me softly so that I might listen.

******
Writing is my passion. Reading is my escape. Living is my reward.
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Badmac
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Username: Badmac

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I don't normally come into the forum as it seems this is where arguments take place
I come to the cafe to rest, read and, write and post and comment.getting upset over the small things in life has never been my style.
you all must remember we all are human we make mistakes we try and fix them and then we move on.
I for one love this site and the poets as well.
I just dislike fighting and arguing and finger pointing.
Brenda
Tears are words from the heart
that can't be spoken
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Missmarry
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Username: Missmarry

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Perhaps the poet simply wants to be sure everyone is treated fairly. A rule is a rule is a rule. If one rule is broken ( minor and silly as it is) then maybe other rules are broken for certain people as well. SO, If we are going to make rules, Perhaps we should live by them no matter how silly they are.

This is an awesome site. But everyone knows the challenges can be a real joke. Paula has been hurt more than once there. She works hard commenting on poems only to find her own has been ignored. I know that Renee is a very honest, hard working, nice, young lady. The other admin. I don't know about.

Paula is a wonderful woman. She would give all she owns if a friend needed it. I talked her into joining this site several years ago and she loved it. I really hope things can be straightened out as I think she is a great addition to our site. She's been away for a while but now that she is back I know she can make a lot of new friends. Paula, I love ya girl. ---Mary
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Rainspirit
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Username: Rainspirit

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank you Mary.....We all work hard for this site we love...and want everyone to feel comfortable.

I have stated we will look into making a minor change in wording....I hope that all concerned will be patient until this can be done....
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Doc_dyr
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Username: Doc_dyr

Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

A dedication to our loved starlite staff
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/105/poem_91114325.html
doreen
may life give you it's best, and you live life to your best
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Gabrielle_s
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Username: Gabrielle_s

Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 03:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

What's the point in having the option of hiding a poem if people can get in to read it anyway? I posted a poem, hid it IMMEDIATELY, waited about 10-15 minutes to make sure there was only one view (mine), came back about an hour and a half later, and THREE OTHER PEOPLE VIEWED IT!!! Closing the door is not enough. It needs to be locked.
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Flutterwings
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Username: Flutterwings

Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 06:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Gabriel, what is the point of posting a poem if yu do not want anyone else to see it? I thought this was a weird request. If yu did not want your poem viewed, don't post it at all...????
Flutterwings ((~.~))}}
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Morning_song
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Username: Morning_song

Posted on Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Gabs, are you sure that it's not counting how many people clicked on the title, only to find out that it had been hidden? I know that I tried to read it. Maybe I'm one of the 3 other people that the counter said had viewed it, but I can assure you that it was well hidden!!!

Hugs...
Jeri

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