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Starliteadmin
Starlite Administrator
Username: Starliteadmin
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 07:48 pm: | 
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If your decision has been reached, then this has been a good discussion with some very good points made. Kudos to all who participated
From an old Kenyan proverb... “Having a good discussion is like having riches”
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Kajuncutie
Starlite Member
Username: Kajuncutie
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 05:41 pm: |
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And I thank you for the suggestion but as I said it was already part of the posting I have set up for when and/or IF we decide to proceed with this... It was never about it not being available but the harm done in the meantime. Yes, the internet can be brutal but Starlite need not be and that was the only point I was trying to make.
I'm done with this... and I think my decision has been made.
Do not speak to me loudly so that I might hear you... speak to me softly so that I might listen.
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Starliteadmin
Starlite Administrator
Username: Starliteadmin
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 05:12 pm: |
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I did not miss any point made in this discussion. It is given that on the internet that it could and would happen that as you say "not all will play nice". My suggestion was merely that..a suggestion and again no point was missed.!!!!! |
Kajuncutie
Starlite Member
Username: Kajuncutie
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 03:44 pm: |
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Barry, my viewpoint is this... a good poem is not just about content but more about being written well. Word placement, word usage, even verb/subject agreement (yeah I know... English class) can make or break a poem. What I meant about content is that there will be instances where some will attack the content and pay little attention to the 'writing' that's in front of them. This is where it becomes personal and I can assure you that it has caused many to leave this site already. The problem with a challenge such as this are the boundaries that must be in place and unfortunately without those this could become a total debacle. I have suggestion we try one challenge of this sort to see how it would work but I can guarantee you that if I do and someone plays dirty any entry they include to be critiqued will be removed. It's the only thing I can do to keep this what it is meant to be.. a learning tool where we who dabble in this craft can continue to grow. I hope you see why I am reluctant and understand it's not about being afraid of critique myself. My publisher friend cured me of that long ago. I too have 'tutored', if you will, new writers and what a rewarding experience it is. I am also a judge for a writing contest for blind youth. I enjoy helping another writer but as I have said until we can get a system in place to ensure fair play I will continue to be hesitant.
Myrna
Do not speak to me loudly so that I might hear you... speak to me softly so that I might listen.
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Writing is my passion. Reading is my escape. Living is my reward.
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Goldpenghost
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Username: Goldpenghost
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 03:33 pm: |
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Well since this horse has been totally beat to death this is going to be my last comment on this. First off I think it is totally unreasonable to place such responsibility upon the moderator who already has an over flowing plate. As good as I feel your intentions are I just know from the past you are asking to stir a pot that is going to reek to high heaven. Once the nastiness starts it will spread to comments on posts that did not ask for the critique. It will become a feeding frenzy and cause a lot of pain and heartache to a lot of people, not just new people but ones that have been around for years. I can speak first hand on that one. Nuff Said by me in my not so humble opinion. |
Barrydemars
Starlite Member
Username: Barrydemars
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 02:03 pm: |
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I agree Donna that newer poets need to be treated kinda with kid gloves to be directed in some of the finer points. I have worked with other poets here on this site myself infact had one poet ready to quit writing because they felt that thier work wasn't any good because they never got a comment. I sat down with that poet and broke down a couple of his works and found he had a wonderful poem of jumbled thought and we pulled those thoughts together and he progressed to become pretty good and he's getting better all the time.
So do I think this would be a great addition to the starlite you bet, because to see some one quit before they had a real chance is probably the greatest loss we could ever have. |
Barrydemars
Starlite Member
Username: Barrydemars
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 01:47 pm: |
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I do understand very well how many issues you must have to handle Myrna and I really feel for you. I deal with it on another site myself. It sucks to have to do our jobs sometimes. I hope you get to feeling better. As for an english class or rather a language betterment class or challenge I still personally think it would be fun, I'm not above learning keeps my mind working better. but it should be used as a place to learn better grammar and paraphrasing for poetry. painting a picture with words for me is a joy to do. One day I will even be able to paint a picture in a picture just as frost and keets used to do.
So please don't feel that I am against your Idea of this type of class or challenge but I would have your moderator basically grade the poem's content like a teacher and explain why they felt it didn't or did meet the expectations of the challange. This way you don't have to deal with the bad remarks with the poet's work.
If other poets want to comment on those poems those issues should be directed to admin or personally removed from the posts but for comments made by the moderator to help the poet become better. we all want to be great poets, writers or even lyricists. but some times we need that extra push in the right direction by honest comments.
You can make this a fantastic tool for poets I truely believe that. |
Kajuncutie
Starlite Member
Username: Kajuncutie
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 12:20 pm: |
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No, Barry, I do not want an English class, but I also do not want a forum where personal dislikes become the forefront instead of what we are really here for. Weed out the bad seeds? There is no possible way to do that and again where do you think the complaints would go to? They go to whomever chooses to moderate this type of challenge. I do understand what you are saying and while I agree that there is a place for it somewhere, I just am not sure it is here. Perhaps you don't know of the issues we've already had (very recently I might add). I do know because I had to deal with each one of them and it's not pleasant. Do I want to put myself in the middle of the soup? Not really... because some will NOT follow rules or guidelines... and it's not about being nice or ugly.. it's only about stirring the Starlite pot.
You can disagree with me and that's fine. I'm sure many do and that's fine too. But from a moderator's veiwpoint this would be a nightmare to moderate and control. And one thing... having an English class really is not such a bad idea either if you think about it.
Do not speak to me loudly so that I might hear you... speak to me softly so that I might listen.
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Writing is my passion. Reading is my escape. Living is my reward.
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Goldpenghost
Starlite Member
Username: Goldpenghost
| | Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 11:05 am: |
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Barry just keep in mind that there are those that don't have the tough hide that some of us do. You see I write for my purpose and not necessarily the reading pleasure of others. So if it is or is not read, much less commented on really is not an issue to me, BUT others get deeply hurt at the nasty negativity that can come out and when one purposefully requests critiquing ya have to be willing to accept what you ask for... If one wants true talented critiquing then my suggestion would be to enroll in a creative writing class with talents far beyond mine and the knowledgeable abilities to give educated critiquing ... I kinda go with the foundation this site was built on... I write "Just For The Love of It" certainly not because I'm good at it.... In my not so humble opinion... |
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