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Rainstorm (Rainstorm)
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Username: Rainstorm
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 05:58 am: | 
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What a great new addition to the challenge area. This should be fun, and a growing experience for all...wonderful idea |
Tanya Morris (Wildabandon)
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Username: Wildabandon
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 07:24 am: |
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I think I mentioned this some where before but I think it would be interesting to come up with a title for a poem..and see how many diff. styles and interpretations people come up for it..Just a thought *HUGS and peace to all* |
Myrna D. (Kajuncutie)
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Username: Kajuncutie
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 09:17 am: |
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I will ditto Renee's remarks.. what a wonderful addition to the Cafe!! ...doing a bit of a happy dance here...
Myrna D. |
William F. Mansell (Onetinsoldier)
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Username: Onetinsoldier
| | Posted on Monday, June 02, 2003 - 02:34 pm: |
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OK Sir Michael, ye of pantoum and monotetra fame.
I have one question.
Will you continue to host this or will someone new each week be chosen to prod us peasants to aspire to new heights?
I understand this can be a very time consuming affair and may be more than any one person would want to deal with for any long period of time.
your friend and aspiring poet
from the Heart of Texas
William Mansell
OneTinSoldier |
Michael Walker (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 07:19 am: |
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William,
When I'm in the office and not out on work duties, I'll host the challenge each week. As I've said, this has no winner or loser, so there is no real way to choose a new host each week. However, when I am out of the office with work and time doesn't permit me to host, I will call upon friends to host the challenge for that week.
I must add, William, that I am truly heartened by your interest in this challenge! Thank you for helping to make it successful!
Michael |
Steph Repnyek (Strwberrywoman1)
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Username: Strwberrywoman1
| | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 02:04 pm: |
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Hey Cuz........Does a pantoum have to rhyme?? I know the regular rules say so but can't remember if its a variation.......
Hugs N Luv...
God Bless,
Steph**
(Angelic Star)
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Michael Walker (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Friday, June 13, 2003 - 05:20 am: |
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Steph -
No, a pantoum does not necessarily have to rhyme. I've seen numerous examples of the pantoum that do not rhyme, although the traditional rules of the form call for rhymed quatrains.
Michael |
Diana Randall (Diana)
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Username: Diana
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:36 pm: |
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Michael:
I would like to see a challenge on
Abstract poety. But first I think it would help us to have a discussion on some of the poets that write abstract poems and look at their work for examples.
DianaSR
"Imagination rules the world, let the universe speak to you." Diana
"Some words just have more poetic pull on your heart than others, honor that, your heart is speaking to you." Skybrush
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:17 am: |
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Diana -
I'm not all that familiar with abstract poetry, but I will look it up and research it a bit. As far as a discussion on the poetry, that's a great idea! If you have some examples you'd like to share, please post them here!
Michael |
Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:30 am: |
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I have a question for you all, as entrants. Over the course of the past four weeks, there have been many entries into this challenge, and they've all been absolutely astounding - the talent at this site is astounding!! However, there are poems posted in the various forms that do not adhere to the rules exactly, which is perfectly normal, as most of these are first attempts at a new form, which I think is fantastic and is the purpose of this challenge! This challenge, I think, should be a learning experience as well as a sharing experience, so I ask you - if your poem does not follow the form, do you want advice and guidance on that matter? I don't want this to become a place where anyone who messes up will be shot down, but I want to really know if you'd like constructive (and I mean that) criticism if there is a problem with the form - never the content - of your poem? Please, any feedback I can get on this would be wonderful!
Michael Walker |
Sharon Elaine English (Windstar)
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Username: Windstar
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:02 am: |
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I agree with Rose, on this Michael. The whole point of this exercise is try new forms and do them correctly. As so many are new to me, I am a bit uncomfortable sometimes in leaving any corrections in the comment box. Perhaps we could use a thread here to critique them? Such as a general discussion thread? As Rose said and as we have all seen happen before, leaving critical comments can sometimes be misconstrued. Just my thoughts, LOL
Sharon
"The soul that can speak through the eyes can also kiss with a gaze."
--Gustavo Adolfo Becquer
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William F. Mansell (Onetinsoldier)
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Username: Onetinsoldier
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:35 am: |
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Hey yall~ I will add my ditto to that! These forms are here to challenge us to try new things, things we don't all know. Surely we will mess up in our trying? If there is no one to point out these errors would we not think that we had done it correctly? I believe that by entering these challenges the writers accept the fact that the form may be not quite correct and is asking for help in getting it right. There are also those of us that make corrections and can't remember which was which and post the wrong ones!
This is a wonderful exercise and I believe it is to all our advantage to have someone say--Hey you need to do this~~or that, without all the poor attempts at being nasty that I see elsewhere.
Thanks
your friend and aspiring poet
William Mansell
OneTinSoldier
BTW PS
I am working on my entry to the virelay, hope to be posting soon! Thanks ~~OTS  |
Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:41 am: |
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Thank you all for your input. I have struggled with correcting at the sake of offending, and I can see that corrections should be made in a kind fashion so that no one thinks they are doing a form properly when they are not. This is a learning experience, and that's what I wanted from the beginning. Perhaps the best way to correct these items is to send suggestions in a personal email to the poet so that there are not tons of corrections in the comment box, which some may construe as negativity. Let's keep this clean and free of in-fighting and such. Any other thoughts on this?
MLW |
Sharon Elaine English (Windstar)
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Username: Windstar
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:54 am: |
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I agree, Michael. A personal email would work just fine. I think it would be the lesser of evils, so to speak, LOL.
As a side note I have been searching the net on virelays and honestly I don't think any of us could make a mistake on this one as it covers so many variations, LOL So happy writing to all:0)
Sharon:0)
"The soul that can speak through the eyes can also kiss with a gaze."
--Gustavo Adolfo Becquer
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Lorelei Mist (Lorelei)
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Username: Lorelei
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:00 am: |
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Smiles to all, I love these suggestions myself! Still working with my muse on these styles of writing too! I wonder too if perhaps when one wants a bit of help or critique on a piece for these challenges, if they left a little note at say the bottom of their poem, so constructive helpful comments could be read by all, for a learning experience? Or if maybe the poem itself posted here, worked on with others help, then the final copy posted in the submission forum?
I have always loved reading a poem in progress!
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:38 pm: |
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Okay, based upon the conversations above, here’s the plan: If you want constructive criticism on your poem to be placed in the comment area, please indicate such either at the bottom of the poem when posted or in the message you leave with your link here at the Form challenge site. I absolutely love Lorelei’s idea about “works in progress,” so I’m going to create a separate discussion thread titled such, where you can put a work in progress if you’d like for it to be critiqued in a kind and constructive fashion. Otherwise, if neither of these tools are used, I will probably just mention any changes needed for the form in a separate, private email to the poet when I can. Does that sound fair to all? Hopefully that covers it without the need for any misunderstandings.
Michael
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Melissa Ann Powell (Melissapowell30)
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Username: Melissapowell30
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 01:12 am: |
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Hi! I have discovered "Shape Poetry"
It is a poem, that is in the shape of the subject. I have written 2 og them. Has anyone else experimented with any?
Flowers
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/72/poem_8233350091.html
Butterfly
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/72/poem_8233350087.html
Kinda hard to read, but lovely all the same
Poetic Wheels.....let them spin
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Melissa Ann Powell (Melissapowell30)
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Username: Melissapowell30
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 01:12 am: |
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Hi! I have discovered "Shape Poetry"
It is a poem, that is in the shape of the subject. I have written 2 of them. Has anyone else experimented with any?
Flowers
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/72/poem_8233350091.html
Butterfly
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/72/poem_8233350087.html
Kinda hard to read, but lovely all the same
Poetic Wheels.....let them spin
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Sharon Elaine English (Windstar)
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Username: Windstar
| | Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 07:32 am: |
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Hi Melissa!! Yes I have and here are mine....
Ten Little Words(a bomb)
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/71/poem_8233339773.html
One Nation (sphere)
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/71/poem_8233338525.html
The Perfect Worm
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/71/poem_8233336301.html
Footprints
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/71/poem_8233333820.html
Tulips of Spring
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/71/poem_8233333799.html
Sharon:0)
"The soul that can speak through the eyes can also kiss with a gaze."
--Gustavo Adolfo Becquer
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Sharon Peeples (Pianolove)
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Username: Pianolove
| | Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 04:10 pm: |
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Just a brief comment to you Michael about letting people know if their poem doesn't follow all of the rules of the form correctly. I appreciated the fact that you told me my Virelay was a good poem, but the last stanza didn't quite follow the rules of rhyme. I took that as constructive criticism and appreciated it. I will be able to do the form correctly the next time...I hope! Thank you for these "form" challenges. I like them and think they bring out creativity and imigination.
Sharon Peeples
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Still Climbing (Still_climbing)
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Username: Still_climbing
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 08:17 pm: |
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I would be disappointed if you didn't offer constructive criticism. If I am truly devoted to my craft..then I owe it to myself to present it correctly, and to the best of my ability. So, please, critique on. I've noticed there isn't much feedback on the structured forms of poetry, at least that's been my experience. Any input is good input to me.  |
Diana Randall (Diana)
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Username: Diana
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 01:24 pm: |
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Bronze Dragon,
I did not realize you had answered my first post on abstract poetry. I will get you information kk.
I need help bad! I just posted a poem in the challenge section on a Shadorma, but the problem is I don't know how to post with the starlight web add like everyone else. Please, how do I do this?
Thank you,
Diana
"Imagination rules the world, let the universe speak to you." Diana
"Some words just have more poetic pull on your heart than others, honor that, your heart is speaking to you." Skybrush
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Diana Randall (Diana)
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Username: Diana
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 01:35 pm: |
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Michael,
Great idea on the "Work in Progress" section for constructive criticism!
Diana
"Imagination rules the world, let the universe speak to you." Diana
"Some words just have more poetic pull on your heart than others, honor that, your heart is speaking to you." Skybrush
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Myrna D. (Kajuncutie)
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Username: Kajuncutie
| | Posted on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 01:40 pm: |
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Diana...
Michael is away for a bit so I will try to answer your question...
Bring up your poem and copy the URL that shows up in your browser window...then go to whatever forum you wish to paste the link into and post your message.. paste or type the URL to your poem. And then continue on as you would for any other posted message...
I hope this helps.. explaining how to do is not my stongest suit..;)))
Myrna D. |
Diana Randall (Diana)
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Username: Diana
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 02:32 am: |
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Wow, Melissa and Sharon great "Shape Poety". I just learned something new. Do you know of any websites that are for "Shape Poetry"?
Myrna, thank you so much for wanting to help me, but I just learned through trial and error.
Diana
"Imagination rules the world, let the universe speak to you." Diana
"Some words just have more poetic pull on your heart than others, honor that, your heart is speaking to you." Skybrush
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Melissa Ann Powell (Melissapowell30)
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Username: Melissapowell30
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 10:29 am: |
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Diana,
Sorry hon I don't know of any!
Poetic Wheels.....let them spin
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Sharon Elaine English (Windstar)
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Username: Windstar
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:12 am: |
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Hi Diana,
No, I do not know of any sites either, in my travels about the web if I come across any I will let you know:0)
"The soul that can speak through the eyes can also kiss with a gaze."
--Gustavo Adolfo Becquer
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Melissa Ann Powell (Melissapowell30)
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Username: Melissapowell30
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 02:28 am: |
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Hi everyone! I was just having a poetic romp with the Midnight Mistress, and wrote in a form I myself have no clue about...it just came to me.
Does anyone else know????? Help me please!!
no syllables 16 lines I made it up as I went along. And found it quite lovely.
1 a
2a
3b
4b
5b
6b
7a
8a
9c
10c
11d
12d
13d
14d
15c
16c
Thanks! Melissa |
Myrna D. (Kajuncutie)
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Username: Kajuncutie
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 03:30 pm: |
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Hello everyone!
A question was posed to me and I have brought it to you. Has anyone ever heard of a poetic form called Cloe? If so, could you email me the directions or post it here? I have searched in search engines, my book of forms, etc. and have come up empty so any help would be appreciated.
Thank you!
Myrna D. |
heidi michaud (Pinkgirl)
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Username: Pinkgirl
| | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 04:00 pm: |
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well Myrna...i did some searching myself for awhile and found some pretty interesting forms but nothing by this name...good luck |
Sharon Elaine English (Windstar)
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Username: Windstar
| | Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 05:16 pm: |
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Okay, are we sure we are looking for a 'cloe' or do we need to be looking for a 'couee'? Cuz I've been looking too and haven't come across a cloe yet. Will keep lookin though:0)
~*~Oh Great Spirit, help me always to speak the truth quietly,
to listen with an open mind when others speak,
and to remember the peace that may be found in silence~*~
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Sharon Peeples (Pianolove)
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Username: Pianolove
| | Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2003 - 10:24 pm: |
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Just perhaps it may be a Chloe.
Sharon Peeples
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Nita G Isenhour (Atin)
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Username: Atin
| | Posted on Monday, November 24, 2003 - 01:43 pm: |
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Shape poem websites.
http://trackstar.scrtec.org/main/track_frames.php3?track_id=146679&nocache=74206 1793
http://www.kathimitchell.com/poemtypes.html
http://www.worsleyschool.net/socialarts/shape/shapepoem.html
Everything I know about poetry, I learned from Dr Seuss.
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 11:22 am: |
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Hello, everyone!
I'm sure that many of you have wondered recently just where the heck I've been hiding. (Or maybe not.) Well, the truth is, I've been completely swamped with work and life and family, that my time has been limited online, of my own choosing. I have not given up on you all, though, and when my life calms down a bit, I hope to return as your gracious host once more. Until then, please continue to participate and support Myrna as the hostess. I thank you all for your help in making this challenge the success it has been!
Until we meet again,
Michael |
Maxine Malone (Maxine_malone)
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Username: Maxine_malone
| | Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 06:35 pm: |
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I need some help with a program I am endeavoring to complete. It involves how to break poems up into meters and many other things. Is this possibly the place to get assistance with my work? |
Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:09 am: |
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Maxine -
This is indeed a place where you can get help. Just post whatever questions you have here in this forum, or send me an email message at:
m_walker1976@yahoo.com
I'll be glad to help.
Michael |
Sharon Peeples (Pianolove)
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Username: Pianolove
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 11:03 am: |
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Michael, would you please tell me if this write qualifies as free verse? I'm still confused about the differences between free verse or free form, or prose poetry, although I know you've tried to get it into my head! And because of my musical background, I find it difficult NOT to write with some type of metrical cadence. AFRAID OF THE LIGHT
http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/82/poem_616308.html
Sharon Peeples
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 06:18 am: |
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Hello everyone!
Just a quick note to tell you that my email address has changed, due to problems with both Hotmail and Yahoo. Please change it in your books to mwbronzedragon@netscape.net - thanks!
Michael |
Sharon Peeples (Pianolove)
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Username: Pianolove
| | Posted on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 12:29 pm: |
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Has anyone heard of these two forms and if so will you mail me the instructions? 1. Barzeletta (an Itialian form) and 2. Echo Verse. Thank you. Sharon Peeples
Sharon Peeples
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Sharon Elaine English (Sharoneenglish)
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Username: Sharoneenglish
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:40 pm: |
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Hi Sharon,
Don't know if you ever got an answer to this or not so I shall post it here:0)
Frottola and Barzelletta
Originally a type of medieval nonsense verse, jocose, rambling and written in very irregular meter and rhymes.
The barzelleta is a subspecies of the Italian 15th century carnival song written for musical setting in octosyllabes(8) and often following the structure of a ritornello in which the refrain has the rhyme scheme abba.
I saw that you have already written an echo verse, so I assume you got the instructs for that one:0)
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Sharon Elaine English (Sharoneenglish)
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Username: Sharoneenglish
| | Posted on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 06:52 pm: |
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Hi everyone,
Was surfing around tonight looking for further information on nonce forms and found this article. It's basically a discussion of the terminology we use today to describe 'poetry'. Thought it was a wonderful article and would share it with anyone who cares to take a look:0)
http://www.n2hos.com/acm/darl0198.html
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Norene Jensen (Dovetail)
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Username: Dovetail
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 09:23 pm: |
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Dear Poets,
I would like to teach poetry workshops at 'Joe's', a local coffee shop. The owner is very receptive to the idea. Well, that was a year ago. I want to do it for pay. What are your suggestions on how to begin? ~*~ DoveTail |
Norene Jensen (Dovetail)
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Username: Dovetail
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 09:26 pm: |
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Dear Bronze Dragon, Yes, I would like to know if a little addition or tweaking could qualify me for the challenge. You have a finess. Thanks. ~*~ DoveTail |
TheDetroitBulls (Thedetroitbulls)
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Username: Thedetroitbulls
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 09:33 pm: |
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The Day Poetry Becomes Work. Ah Forget it!
Bobby Jones? Stroke of Luck..
Bert Yancy .. Stroke of Genius!
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TheDetroitBulls (Thedetroitbulls)
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Username: Thedetroitbulls
| | Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 09:34 pm: |
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But Good Luck in Your Endeavor, Norene
Bobby Jones? Stroke of Luck..
Bert Yancy .. Stroke of Genius!
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Monday, July 19, 2004 - 06:28 am: |
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Norene - send me an email and we'll discuss this...
Michael - mwbronzedragon@netscape.net |
Norene Jensen (Dovetail)
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Username: Dovetail
| | Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 05:53 pm: |
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Hi Poets, I would like to see a glossary of terms for poetry and another for lyrics. Would you could you? ~*~ DoveTail |
Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
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Norene -
That's a great idea, but may take some time and effort to put together. If anyone has a good source for such a glossary, please email me at mwbronzedragon@netscape.net - thanks!
Michael |
Myrna D. (Kajuncutie)
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Username: Kajuncutie
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 04:55 am: |
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Just wanted ya'll to know I will be posting the new form later today.. so not to worry.. one is coming your way!!
Myrna D.
"I am but an apprentice,
an amateur wordsmith....I do not seek more than this
for I claim not the title of poet
as I do not fit the mold." (from 'The Apprentice' by Myrna D.)
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Sandra Lee Alford (Fairmaiden)
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Username: Fairmaiden
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 09:56 am: |
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Hey Ya'll
I have a question about where to either add a nounce form or be able to read others discriptions of theirs so I may try them. I've been searching the site, but I can't seem to find it.
Thanks, Sandi
~May your personal journey through life be filled with love, happiness and many cherished memories~
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Jim L (Desert_knave)
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Username: Desert_knave
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 10:05 am: |
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Sandi, just scroll down the pink box on the right side of the site's mani page. There under metered poems in a section for Nonce forms. There are many in there, and of course everyone would love to see more. ~Jim |
Sandra Lee Alford (Fairmaiden)
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Username: Fairmaiden
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 09:21 am: |
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Thanks Jim, I'm finding the creativity around our home is soaring in leaps and bounds! I have to try some of these!
hugs, Sandi
~May your personal journey through life be filled with love, happiness and many cherished memories~
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Sharon Peeples (Pianolove)
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Username: Pianolove
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 08:44 am: |
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I can't believe we've been doing these forms for two years now! Wow. I have really enjoyed learing new forms and even doing some of them correctly...lol! I know it must be terribly difficult for Michael and Myrna to keep on finding new forms for us to try. So perhaps we could all try a Nonce form created by other Starliters. What do you think gang...and of course our hosts Michael and Myrna. I can already hear some feedback that says we wouldn't want to slight anyone who has created a form by not doing theirs, so we would have to do all of the forms in the Nonce Form category to be fair. A viable concern, so just let me know what you all think. Thanks!
Sharon Peeples
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Jim L (Desert_knave)
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Username: Desert_knave
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 10:17 am: |
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I was going to say I love the idea Sharon, but, people would see right through me and know it is only because I want to see my forms used LOLOL. Seriously, I like the idea. ~Jim |
Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 07:30 am: |
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Before any asks, there is a message to the madness relating to the FOS Greatest Hits review and how the top forms were chosen, which I'll reveal with the number 1 form. If I reveal my method, you'll know what's coming, and what fun would that be?
Michael
I think the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be honorable, to be compassionate. It is, after all, to matter: to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all.
- Leo C. Rosten
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 11:40 am: |
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Hello, guys!
I'm posting this message here and in the current challenge thread. I'm almost embarrassed to have to mention it, but I have a bit of a problem. I've gotten a new computer (very fast - I love it!) and it has necessitated that I change my email address. Therefore, please send all email to me at m_walker@aristotle.net from now on. I still can check my old addy online, but will not do that often. Please, if not too much trouble, could you all send me an email so I can re-build my address book? I would appreciate it greatly! Thanks!
Michael
aka Bronze Dragon
I think the purpose of life is to be useful, to be responsible, to be honorable, to be compassionate. It is, after all, to matter: to count, to stand for something, to have made some difference that you lived at all.
- Leo C. Rosten
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 07:40 pm: |
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This is not really a FOS matter, but I have a special request - if you write or come across poems that have been written that are monotetras, please send me the link to the poem or let me know who the poet is so I can look it up. You can email me at m_walker@aristotle.net with the info. I have so little time to search out new poetry, and I hate to miss monotetra - they're kind of special to me, you know. LOL! Thanks so much for your consideration!
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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Sylvia Rios (Alpha)
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Username: Alpha
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:25 pm: |
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Hello everyone,
This question is for Bronze Dragon. Is there a "Scherzo poetry form" ? If there is, I would like to see it as a challenge when you have the chance.
Thank you,
Alpha
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:41 pm: |
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Alpha,
I'm only familiar with the scherzo as a musical form/term - I am not aware of a poetry style. If anyone knows more about this, please post it in this thread. Thanks!
Michael
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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Alpha (Alpha)
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Username: Alpha
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:45 pm: |
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Bronze Dragon, this is what I found so far.
I understood the Scherzo to be a musical form. Used by Hayden, Mendelson, and Ravel just to name a few.
I have been looking for a poetry form version (I have seen scherzo poems). Some of these Poets just write more in a modern anything goes form (free form).
This is all I have been able to find on the poetry form, and musical form.
First information I found is: it's supposed to be humorous and uses an ABC form (this is not clear).
Second information I found is, as used by the composers it was a Quatrain, and second and fourth lines are repeated.
I found more information.
This was a poem built on an aabccb verse pattern, with a double system stanza of repeating groups of 8 + 4 + 8 syllable per lines. A relatively short poem compared to the “capitoli” of the time, which were eleven-syllable meter with a 3-verse pose and could become quite lengthy.
Alpha
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Annette Bromley (Annie)
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Username: Annie
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Hi Mike and all,
scherzo Composition in ABA form, usually in triple meter; replaced the minuet
... symphonic poem One-movement orchestral form that develops a poetic idea, ...from glossary def.
Here is a sample of Scherzo that I found in Google search...It appears to be freestyle
Claude Debussy (1862-1918)
Prelude to The Afternoon of a Faun
Debussy composed this work in 1892-94, and its premiere was in Paris in December 1894. The Madison Symphony Orchestra has performed it on seven previous concerts between 1939 and 1989. Duration 18:00.
"Those nymphs, I want to make them permanent.
So clear, their light flesh-pink, it hovers on the atmosphere
Opressed by bushy sleeps.
Was it a dream I loved?
My doubt, accumulated through the night past, branches out
To many a fine point--no more in fact than twigs--
Proving, alas! that what I'd claimed for my trophy by myself
Was only my imagination's lack of roses.
Let's think..."
- Mallarme, The Afternoon of a Faun (transl. W. Austin)
QUESTION? NOW SHOULD WE ALL TRY THIS? Love, Annie
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Alpha (Alpha)
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Username: Alpha
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 10:15 pm: |
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Thanks Annie for the information. I think I may try the classical form myself. I have an idea of what it is now, and I will attempt to put it together.
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Timothy (02l)
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Username: 02l
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 05:46 pm: |
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to whoever can assist me-
How do you or where do you go to create your own nonce form of writing. I have one and would like to know how to make it reality.
-02L |
Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 06:40 am: |
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02L -
I don't know that there is a place to go to make it official. The main thing is that you get the idea copyrighted, document it somewhere - you can post an example poem with a description of the form in the "nonce" category at Starlite, and then you can just work on getting the word out to other poets about the form. If the idea is a good one, others will want to use it and write examples in it and it will spread like wildfire. For example, my monotetra started on a whim here at the Cafe, then others started asking me about it, and I have given permission to at least 5 other web sites to post the form, so it kind of takes on a life of its own if it's a form people want to try.
Michael
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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Jennifer (Jenn7)
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Username: Jenn7
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 01:59 pm: |
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Dragon-
thank you very much. Like you said, you never know until you try. |
Kale Lokelas (Kale)
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Username: Kale
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 11:25 am: |
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Michael or Mryna, I have found a poem that the form and rhyme sequence I like very much. I was hoping someone could identify the form here. Is it permissbile to post the poem on the thread with credit given to the author? I would like for you to take a look. It really is something I like and would like to try. |
Kale Lokelas (Kale)
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Username: Kale
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 01:10 pm: |
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Thank you Renee for answering my question about posting another poets work. This is the work of Irish poet Winifred M Letts. I would like to identify the form. If anyone can help it will be most appreciated.
To A May Baby
Winifred M Letts
To come at tulip time how wise!
Perhaps you will not regret
The shining gardens, jewel set,
Of your first home in Paradise
Nor fret
Because you man not quite forget.
To come at swallow-time how wise!
When every bird has built a nest;
Now you may fold your wings and rest
And wathc this new world with suprise;
A guest
For whom the earth has donned her best.
To come when life is gay how wise!
With lambs and every happy thing
That frisks on foot or sports on wing,
With daisies and with butterflies,
But spring
Had nought so sweet as you to bring.
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Curtis R. Bizelli aka. Curt (Hot_stud)
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Username: Hot_stud
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 02:43 pm: |
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I'm not quite sure what that form is but when you find out let me know, cuz I like it to.
Curt - aka C.R. Bizelli - aka
The Starlite Cafe: Hot Stud
www.thestarlitecafe.com/poets/Hot+Stud
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Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 04:31 am: |
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Kale,
I do not recognize the form, and I don't believe it to be one we've done here in the FOS forum. That said, it doesn't mean it's not a recognized form. The other possibility is that it's a form created by the poet, a nonce form, if you will. If possible, you may want to contact the poet and ask them directly. When and if you find out, please post here to let us know - my curiosity is up now.
And if anyone else out there knows the form, please let us know.
Thanks!
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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Kale Lokelas (Kale)
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Username: Kale
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 12:20 pm: |
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Michael,
Thank you for the reply. Unfortunately the poet is no longer with us. I have done some research, yet to find the answer. Hopefully someone else
may be able to help.
Thanks....Kale |
Bronze Dragon (Michaelwalker)
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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Please note: My email address is changing due to continued problems I've had. It's now:
fos.guy@gmail.com
Thanks!
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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Maria
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Username: Mlatch
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 09:21 am: |
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I have a suggestion that I think would be a fun new FOS challenge: Limmericks!
Just a suggestion. |
Bronze Dragon
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 09:43 am: |
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Hi, Maria!
That is actually a very good suggestion, and believe me, we have thought about it, especially since the idea was first mentioned in Once Upon a Haiku a while back (maybe even was you who mentioned it).
The only hesitation I have in starting a limerick chain similar to the haiku chain, is that limericks tend to be on the "bawdy" side, meaning they lend more traditionally to adult content and humor. As this is a family site with many many young poets, I would have to be sure that the poets participating kept their limericks "clean." And you see, I'm not in the business of policing poets, and would not want anyone to ever be offended by something in FOS, for sure.
However... IF several of you want a limerick challenge and would ASSURE me you would not be too bawdy with it, we may try it for a while just to see how it goes. I do enjoy a good limerick - my only reservations are those stated above.
So? Let's open up the discussion - please, if you read this, drop in and let us know your thoughts on this one.
AND - anyone, anytime - if you have an idea for another form-related challenge, please let me know - either in this forum or via email if you prefer. I'm alwasy looking for new exciting ideas, and I think that Maria's is definitely one of those that deserves consideration!
Michael
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
I like to mingle wisdom with absurdity, for isn't the idea of being wise the most absurd?
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Ken
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Username: Lovemepoetry
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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LYMERICKS---is your wish
LYMERICKS---is your dish
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There was a Lady from SPAIN
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When she visited she became a PAIN
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She ate all the food and GRAIN
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And when she left we used a CRANE
Currently I am working on a 1500 acre tract in Tenn and need CALTALPA seeds to replant and create the needed bio-diversity also I need TURKS HEAD oak acorns ----any help will be appeciated by mother nature------currently the deer and wild turkey are in large numbers and the project is 80 % complete
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Ken
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Username: Lovemepoetry
| | Posted on Saturday, April 08, 2006 - 11:23 pm: |
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THERE WAS AN OLD LIMMERICK THAT ALMOST GOT OUT OF BED
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BUT WHEN HE WOKE UP HE FOUND HIMSELF DEAD
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THE PARSON SPOKE SLOW AS HIS SERMON HE READ
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HE HOPED AT THE END HE WOULD BE WELL FED
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DEAR SIR IN THE HALLS OF SUPERIOR IVY
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I PROMISE TO LIMMERICK CLEAN AND NEVER TOO JIVEEEE
Currently I am working on a 1500 acre tract in Tenn and need CALTALPA seeds to replant and create the needed bio-diversity also I need TURKS HEAD oak acorns ----any help will be appeciated by mother nature------currently the deer and wild turkey are in large numbers and the project is 80 % complete
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Aliyyah
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Username: Liyamarn
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 11:13 am: |
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To whom it may concern,
How do you change your display name(username)?
~Aliyyah~
Thank you |
Maria
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Username: Mlatch
| | Posted on Sunday, April 09, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
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I also promise to keep limmericks free of questionable (inappropriate) material. |
Robert A. Gardiner
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Username: Rglove
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 08:46 am: |
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I have an idea for a Challenge based in and aound repetition. The base of the challenge will be to write a poem where repetition is employed. Its objective to write a poem where a phrase, line, or refrain is repeated throughout. The general and formatting would would be, One that poem must be Formatted (Structured), Two that it must Rhyme, Three that it muat be Metrically Based (the poem must have specific metrical requirements or have a metrical flow) and of course poem must employ repetition of phrase, line, or refrain. We can allow poets to write their own free form poetry (poetry using their own original structure/format) or of one of these forms/styles a Kyrielle, Kyrielle Sonnet, or Quatern. We don’t have to require symmetrically metered (for the poems to have an even number of syllables to each line), as long as they have have metrical flow (a definite and defined rhythm to them). Well, that is the challenge idea I have to utilize some of the coar requiremnts of poetry, such as repetition, rhythm (metering), rhyme, and structure/formatting (couplet, quatrain, cinquain, sestet and such).
Women are to be loved and cherished and made love to, with a soft, sensual, touch. You should, always, take your time, unless otherwise directed, but no matter what, always, always, make sure you leave them, her, well pleased, satisfied!!!
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Ken
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Username: Lovemepoetry
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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MASTER R----GLOVE---i tink your idea is a great one---let those that agree join in---let those that disagree stay dry-----i nominate you a dictator of one to run the show----read the submssion and approve it as qualfied or not---pick the winner from the qualified-----and then post that winning poem---and start another challenge-------as soon as 75 % of submitted poems qualify--let it run on its own---i feel the rhyme has been lost to poetry-------and needs to be supported-------other types are very well over used to my thinking--this would give A SMALL PLACE FOR EQUAL TIME=====THE RHYMER ALL THE TIMER
Currently I am working on a 1500 acre tract in Tenn and need CALTALPA seeds to replant and create the needed bio-diversity also I need TURKS HEAD oak acorns ----any help will be appeciated by mother nature------currently the deer and wild turkey are in large numbers and the project is 80 % complete
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Robert A. Gardiner
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Username: Rglove
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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Ken, I don't know if I can captain the challenge, for I am more artist than scholar (more of an artistic mind than a critical), and besides I'd most likely want to participate myself, but if those verse in hosting challenges would host a challenge such as this, I'm sure it be worthwild. hope this can get off the ground. Anmyway, here are the ground rules to the specific forms;
QUATERN
A quatern has four stanzas, each of which has four lines. Each line contains eight syllables. It does not have to rhyme, but it does follow a specific pattern of line repetition: the first stanza's first line is repeated as the second stanza's second line, the third stanza's third, and the final stanza's fourth. This form originated in France.
line 1
line 2
line 3
line 4
line 5
line 6 (line 1)
line 7
line 8
line 9
line 10
line 11 (line 1)
line 12
line 13
line 14
line 15
line 16 (line 1)
KYRIELLE
A Kyrielle is a French form of rhyming poetry written in quatrains (a stanza consisting of 4 lines), and each quatrain contains a repeating line or phrase as a refrain (usually appearing as the last line of each stanza). Each line within the poem consists of only eight syllables. There is no limit to the amount of stanzas a Kyrielle may have, but three is considered the accepted minimum.
Some popular rhyming schemes for a Kyrielle are: aabB, ccbB, ddbB, with B being the repeated line, or abaB, cbcB, dbdB.
Mixing up the rhyme scheme is possible for an unusual pattern of: axaZ, bxbZ, cxcZ, dxdZ, etc. with Z being the repeated line.
The rhyme pattern is completely up to the poet.
KYRIELLE SONNET
A Kyrielle Sonnet consists of 14 lines (three rhyming quatrain stanzas and a non-rhyming couplet). Just like the traditional Kyrielle poem, the Kyrielle Sonnet also has a repeating line or phrase as a refrain (usually appearing as the last line of each stanza). Each line within the Kyrielle Sonnet consists of only eight syllables. French poetry forms have a tendency to link back to the beginning of the poem, so common practice is to use the first and last line of the first quatrain as the ending couplet. This would also re-enforce the refrain within the poem. Therefore, a good rhyming scheme for a Kyrielle Sonnet would be:
1st stanza - AabB
2nd stanza - ccbB
3rd stanza - ddbB
4th stanza - AB
or
1st stanza - AbaB
2nd stanza - cbcB
3rd stanza - dbdB
4th stanza – AB
Well, here's hoping something comes of this...
Women are to be loved and cherished and made love to, with a soft, sensual, touch. You should, always, take your time, unless otherwise directed, but no matter what, always, always, make sure you leave them, her, well pleased, satisfied!!!
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Ken
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Username: Lovemepoetry
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Hay master of modesty------your modesty is only exceeded by grandmother VICTORIA--------with your persuasive powers tell the grand dragon he can do it or you will and you are not braggon------i got him to do the limmerick thing---he might be adverse to listening to my harrang again----go for it man-------the most adverse reaction you could get is a no---and if he says yes-----you could then participate---however if he would not------- my plan would get you into the game as soon as you felt we could play it without you holding the master switch------i will protect your back-----they will need to get rid of me to get to you-------and the fire from the mouth of the bonze beast is a cold fire---it won't melt bronze---so do no worry about a direct attack
Currently I am working on a 1500 acre tract in Tenn and need CALTALPA seeds to replant and create the needed bio-diversity also I need TURKS HEAD oak acorns ----any help will be appeciated by mother nature------currently the deer and wild turkey are in large numbers and the project is 80 % complete
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Robert A. Gardiner
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Username: Rglove
| | Posted on Monday, May 08, 2006 - 03:31 pm: |
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Well, Bronze Dragon will you please proctor the repetitive foems challenge. I think, it would be a fulfilling and worthwild challenge to have, using those poetry basics mentioned, such as repetition, rhythm (metering), rhyme, and structure/formatting (couplet, quatrain, cinquain, sestet and such). Thanks, for you time and consideration Micheal,
Robert.
Women are to be loved and cherished and made love to, with a soft, sensual, touch. You should, always, take your time, unless otherwise directed, but no matter what, always, always, make sure you leave them, her, well pleased, satisfied!!!
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Bronze Dragon
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 09, 2006 - 07:24 am: |
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Robert and Ken,
Thank you both so much for your suggestions! It has taken me a few days to respond, as I've been busy at work and then discussing this with both Myrna and Renee.
At this time, I think that we simply can not administer another new challenge. Also, the forms you suggested - all of which I like - have been done in FOS previously, and can be found in the archives. In the "original" Form Over Substance Challenge, we often have forms to work with that require rhythm or meter, rhyme, repetition, and formatting - those are the cornerstones of poetry, and the cornerstones of the whole FOS idea. They have indeed been incorporated at some point into all of our challenges.
Also, please feel free to use the forms you enjoy most in the AnyFORM Goes Challenge, where you can use whichever form you like each week.
Thanks as always for the suggestion, and we always love to hear any new ideas. As I said, at this point I just think we may have too many challenges, too soon.
Michael
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
I like to mingle wisdom with absurdity, for isn't the idea of being wise the most absurd?
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Michaelwalker
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 10:27 am: |
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As I've been preparing the posting the last three weeks' worth of awards for the FOS challenges, I came to a realization - we will now have only one truly competitive FOS challenge, and that is this AnyFORM Goes challenge. In the past, we at a time had three challenges going, with the following awards (which, coincidentally, all looked suspiciously similar to each other):
Bronze Yardstick - the original, from the original Just This Nonce Challenge
Blank Parchment - has always been associated with the AnyFORM Goes challenge
Draconian Pen - was associated with the now defunct Quatrain Gang Challenge
My question is, now with only one challenge remaining, which award do you like the best? I am open to suggestions and discussion. My personal favorite may still win the day, but I am interested in what each of you prefer.
Michael
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
Use links to visit Poet Idiot or to purchase my first collection of poetry, Knowing He Must Go
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Michaelwalker
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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Please note - I've moved the discussion of the FOS Award's name to this thread - the general FOS questions and comments area. Please post your opinions here, so we can keep Craig's challenge free of such.
And no - we are definitely not going to be calling it the Raivenne's Quill!!
Michael
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
Use links to visit Poet Idiot or to purchase my first collection of poetry, Knowing He Must Go
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Poetic_muses
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Username: Poetic_muses
| | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 08:01 pm: |
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Why not? Michael? Not calling it Raivenne's Quill
Marianne.
"It's You the Poets of Starlite that Inspire me to write the way I do!Thanks!!"
**HUGS**
~Marianne G~
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Raivenne
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Username: Raivenne
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 06:28 am: |
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 LOL! Now looky here Marianne! I get myself in enough trouble with the Dragonmeister all by myself thank you! What narcisist put that idea into his scaly head anyway? Oh wait - that was me - (Raivenne does her best Gilda Radner of Saturday Night Live) nevermind! LOL!
"For when all is said and done, pens down, books close, lips seal
All one mostly remembers of a poem is how it makes one feel"
From "All One Remembers" by Raivenne
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Michaelwalker
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Monday, August 28, 2006 - 06:52 am: |
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Well, since no one has entered into any serious discussion on this, we'll stick with the original award, and my favorite - the bronze yardstick.
And Raivenne - well, what can I say? LOL! You've said it all yourself... LOL!
Michael
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
Use links to visit Poet Idiot or to purchase my first collection of poetry, Knowing He Must Go
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Sirens~song
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Username: Sirens~song
| | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 06:23 am: |
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Is the blank verse sonnet done in 14 syllables or 10?
"Breathe-in experience Breathe-out poetry"
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Rainspirit
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Username: Rainspirit
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Here are the parametrs for a blank verse sonnet....As you see it is done 1n TEN syllables per line} and is Iambic pentameter)
Blank verse in its simplest definition means 'metered but not rhymed' and so goes the blank verse sonnet. It is written in iambic pentameter (five metrical feet per line--ten syllables)} and is, of course, 14 lines long. Remember the blank verse sonnet does not rhyme. Traditionally it is written as an octave (eight lines) and a sestet (six lines); however, it can also be written in quatrain and couplet form as well.
Hope this helps.
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Sirens~song
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Username: Sirens~song
| | Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2008 - 06:52 am: |
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Thanks Renee for the help...much appreciated!
"Breathe-in experience Breathe-out poetry"
~Muriel Rukeyser
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Michaelwalker
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Username: Michaelwalker
| | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 06:02 am: |
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Thank you indeed, Renee! LOL - Dragon's helper?? LOL - Co-moderator it is, my friend!
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
Use link to purchase my first collection of poetry, Knowing He Must Go
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Sirens~song
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Username: Sirens~song
| | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 07:51 pm: |
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I'm back with another question...could you explain the weak/strong syllables in a Terza Rima. Do you have an example I could see?
"Breathe-in experience Breathe-out poetry"
~Muriel Rukeyser
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Michaeldragon
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Username: Michaeldragon
| | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 06:34 am: |
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Hi Sirens Song!
Terza Rima is commonly written using iambic pentameter. So the lines are comprised of metrical feet that are weak followed by strong stressed syllables.
Here's the start of a terza rima, a couple of stanzas, and then after is the parsing of the meter.
To write a line to fit a certain form
You often have to learn a certain skill
Although for some it seems to be the norm
Resolve yourself to learn it - yes, you will!
Then take the pen to paper, jot it down
Compose a line - this reader you will thrill
And now for the parsing of the lines...
to WRITE/a LINE/to FIT/a CER/tain FORM
you OF/ten HAVE/to LEARN/a CER/tain SKILL
al THOUGH/for SOME/it SEEMS/to BE/the NORM
re SOLVE/your SELF/to LEARN/it YES/you WILL
then TAKE/the PEN/to PA/per JOT/it DOWN
com POSE/a LINE/this REA/der YOU/will THRILL
I hope this helps - if not, please let me know!!
Michael
aka Bronze Dragon
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
Use link to purchase my first collection of poetry, Knowing He Must Go
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Cherrykc
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Username: Cherrykc
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 03:23 am: |
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Question, Michael... looking for a particular form and need a name for it. I have seen it here several times but cannot remember when. It appears to have a refrain which is repeated in the last line of each stanza, sometimes with a slight variation in the repeat.
It also rhymes with one of the previous lines.
eg
it may read something like
I am undone, I am undone.
or
I am undone, I am all undone.
Can you help please?
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Lindanewman
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Username: Lindanewman
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 04:04 am: |
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I can answer this Cherry, though I am sure Michael will want to also, since it is his nonce form that you are looking for. It is called the "monotetra" and instructions can be found at www.shadowpoetry.com or in the Form Over Substance archives. But, I'll let Michael explain it to you, since it is his baby. *wink
Peace and Love,
^^LINDA^^
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Michaeldragon
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Username: Michaeldragon
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 06:42 am: |
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LOL - thank you Linda. Yes, the form I most associate with that refrain is the monotetra, which as Linda said I crafted.
Basically, to recap, it's comprised of quatrains (4-line verses) of tetrameter (usually 8 syllables) lines, all lines in each verse rhyme, and as you pointed out the refrain is a repeated 4-syllable or dimeter refrain.
My favorite of the form I've written is:
Your Abyss
Does this seem like the one you were thinking of, Cherry?
Michael
aka Bronze Dragon
If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ***
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Hhazlett26
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Username: Hhazlett26
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 06:48 am: |
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I would be wiling to bet that is the one she was talking about Micheal!! I reposted a Momtetra I had written for the Poe verse/Momtetra challenge from awhile back!! Everyone who read it really liked your form!! Go Dragon!! Go Dragon!! LOL!!
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Cherrykc
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Username: Cherrykc
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 07:18 am: |
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Thanks to you all...Linda, Michael and Heather. I had that form in my head as soon as I saw this new AFG challenge.Really enjoyed it Michael. Hope you check it out. Love and blessings... |
Cskpoetmuse
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I am looking for sonnet 13 form II.. I found sonnets... eight of them ,but don't know where to find this. I am unfamiliar with this form.thanks,Cheryl
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