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Michael .P
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 06:30 am: | 
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Thankyou for that i too have heard many people say that it is mary alone.
Michael william James
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Potpher C. Mbulo
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Username: Pmbulo
| | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 02:16 am: |
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UNLOCKING THE BOOK OF REVELATION
The key to understanding the book of Revelation is to note the year in which it was written by John the Apostle. First of all, we should understand that Potius Pilate the Governor at Jerusalem who presided over the verdict of crucifying Jesus Christ reigned about 26 - 30 AD. Of course bible scholars say that the Crucifixion occurred in 30/33 AD. The final last fall of Jerusalem (the dispensation of Jews) occurred in 70 AD during the late reign of Nero the Roman. Again, it's worth noting almost all bible scholars agree that the book was written in 90 - 95 AD at an island called Patimos in the Mediterranean Sea. Perhaps John was at the island because of the dispensation as he was a Jew.
Having stated the hits above, I should go on and say that the Book of Revelation opens with the words in Revelation 1:1
THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST THAT WHICH GOD GAVE HIM TO SHOW HIS SERVANTS WHAT MUST SOON TAKE PLACE........
This is the introduction of the book and be careful to note that it does not say WHAT TOOK PLACE but only WHAT MUST SOON TAKE PLACE. Therefore I can safely say that what ever follows hence forth after this first verse, all the way to the end of the book happened or would happen after the period 90 - 95 AD. Thus I conclude that the CRUCIFIXION, the ASSERTION and the DISPENSATION is not included in the book of Revelation. I have allowed scriptures to conclude the matter and hence forth only scriptures should interpret scriptures. Any one who argues with what I will have to say should not USE scriptures but SHOW from scriptures. Only scriptures and not self-reasoning from the blues, and should comply with Rev. 1:1. Let me emphasize:
Rev. 1:11 "WRITE ON THE SCROLL WHAT YOU SEE....."
Rev. 1:12 "I TURNED AROUND TO SEE......
Rev. 1: 19 "WRITE, THEREFORE, WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN, WHAT IS NOW AND WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE LATER."
What did John see?
Answer: The son of man and the lampstands.
What is now?
Answer: It is what he was seeing then.
What will take place later?
Answer: What he was allowed to see thereafter by the son of man in the visions which he, John recorded in the book of Revelation.
Friends the Book contains things that happened after 90 AD. Yes the things since then upto now 2006 and further beyond into our future. No crucifixion, no ascension and no dispensation are contained in this book of Revelation.
2.1 The Woman, The Son and The Dragon
I advise that you first read the whole of chapter 12 before you listen to what I have to say.
2.1.1 The Woman
To begin with let me say that the woman in Chapter 12 is not Merry the mother of Jesus. I say so because Merry did not go into the wilderness for 42 months after giving birth. It is true, Merry went to Egypt after giving birth to Jesus and then she went to Nazareth (Mathew 2:13-23). But this is not the basis for assuming that the woman is Marry. I had earlier pointed out that the Book of Revelation contains information about things that would occur after 90 AD as specified in Rev. 1:1 In this respect Merry is out of time and thus not applicable.
Again the woman in chapter 12 is not the nation of Israel. I say so because Israelites did not go into the wilderness for 42 months after Jesus was born. It is true, the dispensation occurred there after but not immediately in 4/6 BC but in 70 AD and lasted many years until 1948 AD contrary to the 3 and ˝ years (42 months). Again if it were for so, it would violet Rev. 1:1.
The church is considered or is representatively the bride of the Lamb of God (Christ the Redeemer). See John 3:27-30 Indeed the woman is the church that will be raptured from the earth to the wilderness (empty space or uninhabited region i.e. the "air". Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. The will of the Father is that the Church reaches maturity. Yes this is signified as Christ being "fully born" in the church (body of Jesus Christ). Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you. I for one, anticipate a mighty revival to take place soon. It will sweep across the whole world and it has already started. Think about the TV evangelism. Who would have thought of such new methods of reaching out? A hunger for the word of God has already begun. Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. This command will be fulfilled soon. I mean Christ is being preached to all nations as never before amidst our time of distress ( ....crying out in pain in readiness to give birth) Giving birth means therefore reaching maturity and fulfilling the call of Jesus Christ as commanded in Matt. 24:14; and also Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. And also Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Indeed the church (the believers) is the woman in chapter 12 of Revelation. The SECOND RAPTURE is then in Rev.12:6
THE WOMAN FLED INTO THE DESERT (wilderness) TO A PLACE PREPARED FOR HER BY GOD WHERE SHE WILL BE TAKEN CARE FOR 1,260 DAYS” (= 42 months = 3˝ years as per Jewish calendar).
The question is how did God prepare the place for her?
The answer is just below that verse. It is amazing that the Jesus Christ posed a bit in the presentation of the vision and then immediately talks of another event that is co-happening along side the giving birth by the woman. Yes John the writer of revelation writes about war in heaven:
Rev. 12:7-8
AND THERE WAS WAR IN HEAVEN. MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT AGAINST THE DRAGON AND THE DRAGON (the Devil) AND HIS ANGELS (the principalities or the demons) FOUGHT BACK. BUT WAS NOT STRONG ENOUGH, AND THEY (the Devils and the demons) LOST THERE PLACE IN HEAVEN (Second Heaven or the "air")
The writer returns to his talk about the woman in Rev. 12: 13-17 It is important to note that the war in heaven happens before the woman flies away (Second Rapture) to the wilderness. This point is very cardinal just as it is also written in Daniel 12:1-4 about the end times. The Devil and the demons are kicked out of "air" so as to pave way and room for the SECOND RAPTURE.
The church will occupy the "air" for 42 months of 30 days each until the THIRD RAPTURE occurs and will leave together with the THIRD RAPTURE saints to go for the Judgment of the Righteous where rewards will be given. This is the JUDGMENT CITY OF CHRIST where only the redeemed will appear. See 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 and also 1 Corinthians 5:5. You will find it in Rev. 11:18. It will occur in the middle of the Great Tribulation. The raptured believers of the THIRD RAPTURE together with those that will have been waiting in the "air" for 42 months will go to the Judgment Seat of Christ. This will also mark the beginning of the intensified Tribulation that will last for another 42 months. This means the Great Tribulation is 7 years in total. They are shorted to 42 months for believers. The JUDGMENT CITY OF CHRIST is a place in Heaven and is an event - a separate event from the Judgment of the wicked (WHITE THROWN JUDGMENT). The later will occur at the end of the Millennium (1000 years of peace on earth). See Rev. 20:7-15
In chapter 12 of Revelation, the Prince of the "air" will be hurled down from the "air" to the earth while the woman will be raptured. What happens next? Rev. 12:12-17 The Great Tribulation starts and will last for 7 years.
The SECOND RAPTURE marks the end of the Times of the Gentiles. I mean salvation will come back to the Jews. Then and only then will the Jews be saved in masses by believing in the redemption power of the blood of Jesus Christ as atonement for sin. In Romans 11:25-26 you will read that:
"I DO NOT WANT YOU TO BE IGNORANT OF THE MYSTERY, BROTHERS, SO THAT YOU MAY NOT BE CONCEITED: ISRAEL HAS EXPERIENCED A HARDENING IN PART UNTIL THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN. AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED AS IT IS WRITTEN....."
I advise that you read the whole of chapter 11 of the letter of Apostle Paul to the believers at Rome. Let me show you a mystery and how the mystery works. This "mystery" in Romans 11:25 will occur at the "mystery" of 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 and also at the "mystery" of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and the "mystery" of Mathew 24:26-44 which all are indeed the same "mystery" of Rev. 6:9-11 and Rev. 12:1-16.
2.1.2 The Son of the Woman
Like I said, in this case in chapter 12 of Revelation, the son of the woman is not Jesus but the maturity of the church. Yes their deeds of reaching out caminating into the mighty revival that will sweep across the whole world is represented by the son of the woman.
2.1.3 The Dragon
This is easy! We all agree that the dragon represents the devil and all his powers.
2.1.4 The Devils Angel's
Many think that the devil's angels are fallen angels. But ladies and gentlemen, this is not true. The word angel also means messenger. These are the Devil's messengers or principalities in high places. 2 Peter 2:4 reads:
"FOR IF GOD DID NOT SPARE ANGELS (aggelos) WHEN THEY SINNED, BUT SENT THEM TO TARTARUS (this is a Greek word and it means lowest region of hell) PUTTING THEM INTO GLOOMY DUDGEONS TO BE HELD FOR JUDGEMENT."
Apostle Peter knew about the state of fallen angels so did Jude who is also believed to be one of the brothers of Jesus. Indeed Jude 6 reads:
"AND THE ANGELS WHO DID NOT KEEP THEIR POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY BUT ABANDONED THEIR OWN HOME - THESE HE HAS KEPT IN DARKNESS, BOUND WITH EVERLASTING CHAINS FOR JUDGEMENT ON THE GREAT DAY."
Thus you realize that fallen angels are bound rather locked up in TARTARUS the lowest region of hell. So who are these the devil’s angels residing in the "air" as opposed to being locked up in TARTARUS?
The bible also uses the term "sons of God" to mean the spiritual beings which in this case are the associates of the devil. These are in the business of accusing saints. See Rev. 12:10. These were together with the devil and they come together before God to accuse the saints in Job 1:6.
"ONE DAY THE angels (bane) CAME TO PRESENT THEMSELVES BEFORE THE LORD, AND Satan ALSO CAME WITH THEM."
Notice that the footnote for NIV says the Hebrew Equivalent word for angel (bane in Hebrew) under a foot-note a in verse 6 chapter One of Job means sons of God and that the word Satan under a foot-note b in the same verse 6 chapter One of Job means accuser. This same scenario will be found again in Job 2:1.
In Job 1:6 the word translated “angel” is bane in original Hebrew means a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc.) So as far as the humans were concerned, they considered these strange beings as related to God. Now notice that in 2 Peter 2:4 the word used for “angel” is aggelos in original Greek meaning (one who brings bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger. It is clear then that angel in 2 Peter 2:4 is referring to fallen angel while angel in Job 1:6 is referring to figurative relationship to God
The "sons of God" are also the living beings that Cain feared would kill him as found in Genesis 4:13-15. Remember that before the flood (Noahic flood), the "sons of God" had bodies similar to that for humans and thus had sexual desires too. See Genesis 6:1-4 The by-product or offspring of such a sexual act between the "sons of God" and human women were Nephilims (ancient giants). The sons of God I believe were the inhabitants of the pre-Adamic ere on the earth. I do not believe that the earth is young neither do I believe that the earth and the whole universe was created in Six literal days of 24 hours each. My basis for my belief (theory) is in Genesis 1:1-2. A good bible or the original Hebrew translation state:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth 'became' formless and empty (void), darkness was over the surface of the deep (sea) and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
If you do not believe me, just check the NIV version of the bible and you will find a foot-note "a" against the word was in Genesis 1:2. Under the description of the footnote, you will find these words: Or possibly became. Actually the word used in original Hebrew is hâyâh pronounced haw-yaw' and this can mean the following: to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass.
What I'm trying to suggest to you is that God created the universe (earth and heavens) billions of years ago. Then God caused a worldwide flood by water (Not Noah's time but pre-Adamic ere). At that time or ere, the sun's rays were hardly reaching the earth's surface perhaps due to a thick cloud cover or what ever and so it was dark on the earth just as the bible says, thus it was very cold in fact it is the ice age which modern scientist have discovered. The first inhabitants of the earth were the sons of God and they are the demons and they lost their bodies. To say when and why they lost their bodies is also a big topic. All I can say for now is that those that claim that demons are fallen angels are in for a lesson. Demons are not fallen Angels. Demons are referred to in the bible as evil spirits or "sons of God" (bad living beings without bodies). Let them read 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6. The fact is that demons possess people even up to date while fallen angels are in gloomy dungeons yes into chains of darkness.
What I'm saying is that the earth had had at least two worldwide floods:
The first was the pre-Adamic flood ( Genesis 1:2)
Then the second was Noahic flood (Genesis chapters 6, 7 and 8)
I do not make a theory on few verses but I have many that support my theory. If you read Genesis 1:3-5
"......Let there be light......"
Bear in mind that this was the first day. Then Jump to and read Genesis 1:14-19.
"Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night....."
This is where God created the sun and it is the fourth day. So how is it possible that the sun appeared on the scene on the fourth day yet there was illumination on the first day. You see that the equivalent word for "day" in Hebrew usage also means period or duration. In short the Six days of creation are not Six literal days of 24 hours each. Thus my theory does not conflict with gathered facts of science and archaeology.
Listen: THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH WHAT THE CLERGY PREACH BUT THAT WHICH THEY IMPEACH. What the bible says is that man humanity) has been on earth for about 6,000 years now. Yes the first man appeared (came into being) on earth in about 4000 BC. Again the bible is clear that the sun started illuminating light much later after the earth was created.
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TBF
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Username: The_blue_flame
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 02:45 pm: |
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 Thank you.
Lewis
Dont tell lies about me, OR I WILL TELL EVERYBODY THE TRUTH!
(Willem DaFoe as Jesus Christ 1988)
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Mary Carter Mizrany
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Username: 4preshuslamb
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 02:25 pm: |
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For whatever reason, every time I send my answer to your response in this forum it is being erased, TBF.
I don't KNOW what the problem is.
Thanks for responding to my questions though. I can surely understand why you do not give access to your email nor comments. Hate~mongers can really cause deep wounds !!!
Since I don't care to write personal things in an open forum such as this ~ ~ ~ I will just ask the Lord to bless and keep you, TBF
Love & hugs
Maryxo
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TBF
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Username: The_blue_flame
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 01:42 pm: |
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I suppose i can do that MCM, recently I started adding actual audio MP3 files to my writings, anc these MP3s unlike the videos and MIDI files
such as can be downloaded at videocure.com and musicrobot.com cannot be heard universally across the internet (which is to say, certain people can hear the music I put on my poems, certain others cant). as for my email. in the 10 years i have been on the internet (the last 5 here at starlite) i have received numerous hate mails from many people, including certain at starlite, these people citing my sympathies with certain - (in terms of the liberal bigot hate veracular) extreme right wing Jewish Organizations, which is my interpretation (as a Christian) of pro Israel Sentiment.
(Perhaps these people approved the 9-11 attacsk on teh Untied States??)
"It is better to have ONE ISRAEL that the world hates than 1000 Auschwitzes that the world loves"
Rabbi Meir Kahane of blessed Memory. (1932-1990)
jdl.org.il
Had this organizatino existed roughly 70 to 80 years ago, World War II would not have happened.
i give you my guarantee on that.
I could tell you what Rabbi Sergeant Dr. Baruch Goldstein's daddy said after his son got famous in the Battle of Hebron in 1994, (only not here at starlite)
Jesus Christ, Meir Kahane, Irv Rubin, Bill Maniaci, Ian Siegl, Rabbi Sergeant Dr. Baruch Goldstein, (and his daddy too)
all Jewish, all hightly disapproved by large segments of the Jewish Populace of their respective day, all populist (People's ) Leaders.
Have a Blessed Day.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3184/israelanddavidandjesus2rp.jpg
Dont tell lies about me, OR I WILL TELL EVERYBODY THE TRUTH!
(Willem DaFoe as Jesus Christ 1988)
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Mary Carter Mizrany
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Username: 4preshuslamb
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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Your writings appeal to me, also, BF . . .
however, since you do not allow emails nor
comments from others on them . . . s'pose you just 'guess'
what others think:-)
Would you be willing to share with me why you have made such a decision?
Have a blessed day, BF!
Love n hugs,
Maryxo
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TBF
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Username: The_blue_flame
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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Title: AS FOR judas iscariot
URL: http://www.thestarlitecafe.com/poems/101/poem_8327531.html
Dont tell lies about me, OR I WILL TELL EVERYBODY THE TRUTH!
(Willem DaFoe as Jesus Christ 1988)
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TBF
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Username: The_blue_flame
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 12:01 pm: |
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Mary, Neph, Enjoyed reading both of you.
Neph, Thomas was a wise and intelligent man.
As for judas iscariot........................
2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Dont tell lies about me, OR I WILL TELL EVERYBODY THE TRUTH!
(Willem DaFoe as Jesus Christ 1988)
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Mary Carter Mizrany
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Username: 4preshuslamb
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Gospel of John . . .
1:1 In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without
him was not any thing made that was made.
1:4 In him was life; and the life was the
light of men.
1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the
darkness comprehended it not.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was
made by him, and the world knew him not.
1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received
him not.
1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave
he power to become the sons of God, even to them
that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the
will of the flesh, nor of the will of man,
but of God.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt
among us, (and we beheld his glory as of the
only begotten son of the Father,) full of grace
and truth.
1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace
and truth came by Jesus Christ.
skipping on to after the Resurrection of Jesus.
when he appeared to his disciples:
St. John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas,
Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands;
and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into
my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
St. John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said
unto him, My Lord and my God.
St.John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thous hast
seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they
that have not seen, and yet have believed.
May the Lord bless His Word unto us.
Love and warm hugs,
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Michael .P
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Username: Mik3y
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Gospel of John .. Thomas sees the lord but does not believe and when he feels the wounds of christ he says and i quote "My Lord, And my God" Surely this would be a massive break of the 10 commandments if it were a lie.
Michael william James
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TBF
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Username: The_blue_flame
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 01:38 am: |
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Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
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1-egypt, 2-mesopotamia,3- persia
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4-Philstia, 5-Greece
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6,7Roman ANd Buzantine EMpires
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8,9,10Spanish - British - 3 French
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11 Russo Chinese Communist Empiore 1917-Present
12 - Europe WW 2 (1933-1945)
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13 - 10-40 Empire Including Israel
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who havent heard the gospel of Jesus Preached (most anyway)
14 - Untied States 1776-present
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9219/usa5qd.jpg
15 - REvised Europe
(rebuilding currently underway)
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2139/europeanunion5bn.jpg
16 NATO OAU OPEC
1949-p[resent
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17 - United Nations 1945-prewent
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7673/natooauopec6yt.jpg
Dont tell lies about me, OR I WILL TELL EVERYBODY THE TRUTH!
(Willem DaFoe as Jesus Christ 1988)
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