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Michael .P (Mik3y)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 12:13 am: | 
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Of coz this as you say Jim does not succeed in explaining the Faith in a relationship between man and his creator For science is far from accepting that such a thing is probable yet. At the same time not been able to prove it impossible.
Michael william James
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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 07:45 pm: |
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HI!!! JIM : IT IS ALWAYS NICE TO HEAR HOW AND WHAT GOD THINKS ABOUT THINGS. THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW , IS TO READ HIS WORD THE BIBLE. IN HIS LOVING KINDNESS AND MERCY, GOD HAD HIS WORD WRITTEN FOR US SO THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHAT HIS WILL IS FOR MANKIND.
LISTENING TO THE TEACHINGS OF INDIVIDUALS IS WHAT GETS US INTO SO MANY CONTRADICTIONS. |
Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2004 - 11:57 am: |
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larkspur-
I will now explain the reason we don't take blood transfusions. Blood is sacred in God's eyes. God says that the soul, or life, is in the blood. So is it wrong to accept blood transfusions? God requires that we abstain from blood, such as eating an animal if it has not been bled properly.
This means that we must not take into our bodies in any way at all other people's blood or even our own blood that has been stored. {acts 21:25}
So christians will not accept a blood transfusion. They will accept other kinds of medical treatment such as transfusion of nonblood products.
They want to live but they will not try to save their life by breaking God's law. {matthew 16:25}
The bible clearly states to abstain from blood as in Acts 15:29 "keep abstaining from blood." This includes human blood because it does not merely say abstaining from animal blood.
To illustrate, in a hospital when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intravenously. Now would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by a transfusion really be obeying the command to "keep abstaining from blood?" To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obedient if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
There are also alternatives to blood transfusions. Often simple saline solution, ringer's solution, and dextran can be used as plasma volume expanders, and these are avaliable in nearly all modern hospitals. The risks that go with blood transfusions are avoided by using these substances.
A lot of types of surgerys can be performed successfully without blood tranfusions. Such as open-heart operations, brain surgery, amputation of limbs, and total removal of cancerous organs.
Also, God gives us this as a protection. Many transfusions come with the risks of AIDS, hepatitis, and malaria.
I hope this answers your question and any others you may have about blood transfusions.
-Melissa |
Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 06:52 pm: |
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Larkspur-
I am busy, but we don't believe that the blood is the devil's blood. I will explain when I have time, but mostly it's because of God and his laws on blood that we don't take transfusions. he views blood as very sacred. Like I said I will explain in more detail later the reasons why.
-Melissa |
Martin Howard (Martin)
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 10:21 am: |
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Marvin,
Having played jazz trumpet for years, I've played "it ain't necessarily so" quite a bit,
but never paid attention to the lyrics- so I
looked them up- I see exactly what you're talkin'
about. I do like Gershwin tunes because of their
melodic sophistication. Maybe I should start reading some of his lyrics, eh!
Martin |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 05:45 pm: |
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Martin---
Thank you my friend.
Marvin---
Sorry about that. I didn't really intend to come across as though I were accusing you of egosim. I had been up all night and couldn't even spell with my usual inadequate skills.
My intent was to point out the tendency of denominations and splinter groups of all the major reilgions to declare they somehow know exactly how the creator thinks. That the most cusory examination of the reality in which we exist is prima facia evidence that no mere human is qualifed or competent to have an informed opinion about the thought process of the creator.
Jimbo
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marvin d goldfarb (Marvin_goldfarb)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 02:33 pm: |
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martin- I think you are reffering to a song in Porgy and Bess "" it aint neccessarily so". |
Martin Howard (Martin)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 11:46 am: |
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Marvin,
The many and varied observations of God, by the entire human race interests me....to a certain extent, yet, I'm continually drawn back to the title of an old jazz instrumental tune-
it's name: "Is,is"
Also, your bird photo is excellent.
Martin |
Martin Howard (Martin)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 11:28 am: |
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Jimbo,
Your last couple of posts are words, pretty much fitly spoken.
Martin |
marvin d goldfarb (Marvin_goldfarb)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 09:00 am: |
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jimbo I can only express my opinion I can not pass any judgements about God but I don't believe a kind God is out to confuse people and I do believe God lives eternally in the heavens and their is only one God. Instead of using the word humane I should have used the word kind but in the meantime barukh hashem. |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 08:38 am: |
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Marvin--
Why would you insult the creator by labeling the creator "huamane"? That is something humans are. And how could anyone be so be egotistical as to fancy they have any possible notion what is "just" or "unjust" to the intellect of the creator?
Jimbo
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marvin d goldfarb (Marvin_goldfarb)
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 04:47 am: |
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moslems and bahaiists believe jesus was one of their prophets and are not christians. what must jesus be considered to be a christian. Also why have some one on earth being part of God when the lord lives eternally in the heavens. does a just and humane God want to confuse people to who he is. |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 10:02 pm: |
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Melissa Roth---
So in your interpertation, Jesus was an agent of God rather then a diety.
Most Cristians see God as a trilogy of God the father, Christ the Son and a holy spirit all together making up the deity God, of the Christian faith. And if I don't accept Jesus as a deity, worship Jesus and believe that the Jesus part is my only chance and only path to salvation, then I am not a Christian. So before we even get to the meaning of the Bible unless I accept Christ, I am not a Christian.
As I stated before, I simply do not know and in all intellectual honesty have found nothing in the bible or any other religious writings that amounts to even fair evidence for the existence of any of the numerous deitys claimed.
The fact of an awsome and magestic creator is obvious in the fact of creation. The fact that prayer is a powerful influnce in the lives of men is strong evidence for the existance of a present and active creator.
As for the attempts of men to corral the creator into some denomenational tool for social and political control; they all seem more then a little pathetic to me and are more often then not disasterous.
Jimbo
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larkspur (Pagan22)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 03:14 pm: |
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Melissa,
The bible was written by men.
Anywho, why don't Jehovah Witnesses believe in blood tranfusions? I've heard that it's considered the Devil's blood because it's not your own....
We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. ---Anais Nin
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Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 02:36 pm: |
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larkspur-
No, I haven't seen that movie.
-Melissa |
Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 02:34 pm: |
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Larkspur-
The Bible does talk about Babylon's kings and ancient cities, however it does not mention Satan getting his name from them. In the garden of eden, when he misled adam and eve, he made himself Satan, which means "adversary."
These beliefs, or mysticism, are human beliefs and are not from God, nor are they found in the bible. This Lillith, is also a mysical belief, because it is not mentioned in the bible of this "she-demon" having relations with adam. The only account in the bible of demons having relations with humans are the Nephilim that were in Genesis 6:1-4,13,14. But because of the havoc the offspring of the demons were causing among other people of the nation, God had them destroyed in the great flood. And as the demons who were on earth transformed back into their demon-spirit body's, God took away their powers to transform into humans on earth.
So the "lillith" and the story of how satan got his name are man-made ideas and false stories.
I do not believe in these or any kind of mysticism. I hope this may clear up any confusion you may have.
-Melissa |
larkspur (Pagan22)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 02:20 pm: |
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Melissa,
Have you watched the 2002 movie "The Magdalene Sisters"? It's quite interesting. It shows why most Irishmen hate the Catholics.
We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. ---Anais Nin
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Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 02:08 pm: |
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Jim-
You are correct, Jesus is not God.
In John 17:3 it states 'That they know the only true God and Jesus christ whom thou has sent." Jesus was praying to his father in heaven and notice he referred not to himself, but to his Father in heaven as "the only true God."
In John 20:17 it states " I have not yet ascended to the Father; ... I am ascending to my Father and to your father, to my God and your God." So to the resurrected Jesus, The father was God just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in scripture do we find the father addressing the Son as "my God."
But it seems as if you don't believe what the Bible says is true, or that it is just a well put together book that can verify itself. Am I getting the point which you are trying to make? If so may I ask why it is you don't believe the Bible, perhaps because of some scriptures or because the Bible was hand written by man?
-Melissa |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 08:43 am: |
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Melissa--
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you.
To answer your question; I don't claim membership in any organized religious group.
The Tao philosophy of eastern origin is as close as I have found to my inclinations toward belief.
I should have been more precise with my statement about Jesus. I am convinced there was a great personility named Jesus. I am not qualified to honestly name myself Christian because I am not convinced that Jesus is God.
It is a rational connundrum.
Were I to claim an intimate relationship with the pagan God Rondopa, and write a book filled with allusions to mysteries and miracles adopting and intergrating stories from many sources and throw in some verifible historic facts to sort of glue the whole thing together; many people would believe. Anytime someone questioned the verasity of any part of the book--- well you know drill. "It's in the book." The book verifies the book. Of course the book verifies the book, so do Grims fairy tales. That dosen't rationaly demonstrate the reality of what the book says it only demonstrates that the book says such.
So when you begin to put together an explaination of the verasity of the bible by references to scripture in the bible, I realize that I have failed to describe the problem properly.
Jimbo
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larkspur (Pagan22)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 05:12 pm: |
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That's another story I've come across too. =) It's like a female praying mantis.
We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. ---Anais Nin
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si tickner (Awm_si)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 02:56 pm: |
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i heard the lillith story as god created lillith as a partner for adam but she refused to go in the missionary position, as she was equal to adam and thought he was better so he refused to have sex with her because of this. and thats when she was kicked out and succubi were born with her oath to kill all males by having sex with them (not a bad way to go) |
larkspur (Pagan22)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:14 am: |
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Melissa,
Have you read anything about Jewish mysticism? Or on Babylonian kings and cities? Satan was actually named after a corrupt Babylonian king along with "Hell" as this king's name is "Helel". Of course, it's been filtered throughout the years to represent only "Hell", but do some research and you'll find it.
Another interesting note is Lillith. According to Jewish mysticism (of which I am not Jewish nor Christian nor Muslim) they believe Lillith is the she-demon who rose from the depths to seduce Adam before God created Eve. She succeeded and bore Adam several demon childs. God finally listened to Adam's cries to get rid of her and so God banished her from the garden.
She eventually started inbreeding with her own children to produce an army of demons, while Adam and Eve inbred to create modern day humanity (if you believe that).
We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. ---Anais Nin
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Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2004 - 06:32 pm: |
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Jim-
May I ask what is your religion? I might be able to understand you better. May I ask why it is you don't believe in Jesus? Is it because of some scriptures that have you confused? I may be able to help you in some missunderstanding.
But I have an answer for your question on the devil and why he was cast down to Earth. Let's go back to the garden of Eden. In genesis 3:4,5 is where the devil first misled and lied about God to Eve. He did this because he craved worship that belonged only to God. In Genesis 3:15 is the fortold prophecy of the promised seed. Now let's fast forward to Revelation 12 and start in verse 1 and go through verse 6. I will explain the casting of the devil down to Earth. In verse one the woman is not a literal one, she is a symbolizes the wife of God. { Jeramiah3:14} She is also married to someone and is able to give birth. Her husband is God as her child is later caught away to God and his throne. {Revelation 12:5} She is robed with the sun and having the moon beneath her feet. When you add her crown of stars she is completly surronded by heavenly lights. God's favor shines upon her day and night. She also has labor pains, seeing she is pregnant. In verse 3 and 4 the fiery clolred dragon is satan. This dragon has some what of athourity in the spirit realm. Satan dragging the demons along with him, is like a vicious beast of prey eyeing a potential victim. He is waiting for the woman to give birth so that he can devour the expected infant because he knows it poses an ominous threat to his continued existence and that of the world over which he exercises rulership. {John 14:30}
In verse 5 and 6 the child is a son, a male. John uses this expression to show the child's suitableness, his competence for ruling nations with adequate power. How joyous this birth is! it plays a key role in bringing the sacred secret of God to a finish. This male child will even Shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. Does that expression sound familiar? Yes, God promised prophetically regarding Jesus " You will break them with an iron sceptar, as though a potter's vessel you will dash them to pieces."{psalm 2:9} it was also prophesied regarding him " the rod of your strenght jehovah will send out of zion, saying 'Go subduing in the midst of your enemies." {pslam 110:2} The birth seen by John closely involves Jesus. It is not jesus' being born of a virgin, nor could it refer to Jesus' being raised again to spirit life in 33 C.E. Furthermore, it is no transmigration. It is the birth of God's kingdom in 1914 as a reality, with Jesus-already in heaven for close to 19 centuries-now enthroned as king. {Revelation 12:10}
god would never permit satan to devour his child or his wife! When the child is caught away to God and his throne, he comes under the complete protection of god, who will take fullest care of this newborn kingdom, the instrment for sanctifying his holy name. At the same time the woman flees to a place that God has prepared for her in the wilderness. As for satan, the stage is now set for a momentous event that will make it utterly impossible for him ever again to threaten the kingdom in heaven. This is when satan and his demons are ousted from heaven and cast down to earth.
Now, in revelation 12:13, 14 you amy wonder how the dragon can persecute the woman when she is in heaven and the devil is on earth. The woman has children on earth, her seed. Satan expresses rage torward the woman by persecuting her seed. { revelation 12:17}
Now God doesn't try anyone as stated in James 1:13. We were given free choice when we were created. And the bible gives us warnings and insight on how to avoid the devil and his crafty acts, and what is involved in them. 2 Timothy 3:1-6 clearly shows works of the devil in todays worl around us. Ephesians 6:11; James 4:7,8; 1 peter 5:8 The devil also misleads people with sinful desires, spiritism, and lies in false religion. { galations 6:7,8; deuteronomy 18: 10-12; Acts 19:18,19; John 8;44} Not to mention Racism, and political organizations. So if people are led astray by the devil with ample warning and by free choice, they are in turn saying to God that they do not want to follow his way of life. Thus they can expect to be punished by God for their actions.
I hope this helps answer your question Jim.
Melissa |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 09:07 pm: |
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Melissa---
I'm sorry I mislead you.
I was talking tongue in cheek. I know the bible dosen't say we are going to burn in hell but a lot of Christians don't know. They don't read their own bible and it seems that most of those that do read it do so trying to prove some preconcieved notion.
I understand the bible and what it says but I am not qualified to be a Christian because I am not convinced of the diety of Christ. I simply and honestly don't know and have found no way to prove it one way or the other short of a divine epiphany.
Jimbo
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Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 03:41 pm: |
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Jim-
I am busy now but I will answer your question about Hell. Actually, Hell doesn't exist. It isn't mentioned in the Bible, but here are some scriptures to help you understand. In Genesis 2:7 it says "Man BECAME a living soul" , Not that he possesed one, but that he was one. Many people think of the mention of Sheol or hades, but they refer to mankind's common grave. At Matthew 10: 28 it mentions Gehenna where the Soul and the body can be destroyed. Not Tormented, DESTROYED. Referring to death. Now in Eccl. 9: 5, 10; Ps. 146:4; and Ezek. 18:4 all talk about the condition of the dead. I encourage you to look them up in your bible, I think they will give you an answer to your question. Now after you look them up, Romans 6:23 saya the wages sin pays is death, and Romans 6:7 says he who has died has been aquitted from his sins. Meaning when one dies, that is the ultimate payment for sins, so God has no need to further punish people for their sins. As for using the Hellfire belief to scare people into fearing God or worshiping him, God didn't make that up. The bible says that the devil is the "originator or father of the lie", because of the first lie he made in the garden of eden. {Genesis 3:4; John 8:44} So to, the devil has made up the lie of hellfire to mislead people everywhere around the earth. He is the one misleading the entire inhabitated earth.{Revelation 12:9} As for God, he created us with the choice of free will. So he looks for people who will serve him out of love for him, not out of morbid fear or coercion.
I am out of time, but I will get back to you on your question of why the devil was cast down to earth on possibly sunday. I hope this helps for the meantime. Melissa |
larkspur (Pagan22)
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 07:18 pm: |
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This is directed to Melissa Roth (Future_poet):
The only reason there is so much hate and violence between different religions, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism to name the big three, is because each faction thinks its ideas, theories, and practices are 100% true...and if you do not follow THEIR way, then you'll be going to hell and over in the Middle East they will help you along by shooting you in the name of God and Allah. That is one of the longest run-on sentences I've written in awhile and, believe me, I can go on and on and on....
We don't see things as they are, we see things as we are. ---Anais Nin
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Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 05:20 pm: |
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Melissa Roth--
I remember reading about that. Where all the good angels were fighting the evil angels. I never did figure out what they were fighting over. As a kid I couldn't help being a little miffed that the winning side inprisoned the losers here on earth and messed up our home with all those demons and such.
I still find it hard to sort out how it is that the creator who created us and knows how weak most of are, would turn a bunch of demons loose on us to lead us astray then punish us for going astray.
Do you suppose that the creator is just kidding about the burning in hell thing? Maybe it's just to scare us into behaving and learning how to be decent under pressure. What do you think?
Jimbo
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Melissa Roth (Future_poet)
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 04:18 pm: |
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Hi. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. There is a clear reason why there is so much war and hate in religion. In the book of Revelation, chp. 12:7-12 it talks about the battle between Christ and his angels and the Devil and his demons. It says how the devil and his demons were hurled down to earth in verse 12 and how its Woe for the Earth "Because the devil has come down to you having great anger knowing he has a short period of time." This is the Last Days, the time of the end of this system of things until the day God changes everything at Armageddon to restore the lost perfect paradise that Adam and Eve once had. At that time Jehovah god will bound the Devil and his Demons up. {Revelation 20:1-3} When Satan was hurled down to Earth the things on the Earth worsened because of Satan being confined to the Earth and no longer having the free roaming space of the universe. He is the "one misleading the entire enhabited Earth".{Revelation 12:9} He is willing to do anything to take down anyone with him when he is destroyed. {1John 5:19} He is the one responsible for all the wars and hatred on the earth today. {Revelation 13:1,2; Daniel 10:13, 20; Ephesians 6:12} |
margo Reid (Jamaican_angel)
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 11:23 pm: |
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Hi, My religion is "Pentecostal" I have no idea why there's so much HATE over someone else's religions. I can't hate someone because their religion is differ from mine. I believe in One Book and that's the Holy Bible--I cannot worship another God, but the Holy One-but everyone has their own belief and opinions on what they think is right!
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