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Jillchuang
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Username: Jillchuang
| | Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 11:13 am: | 
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God's words....the truth
Jesus is our salvation
He is known as the word
God's words...the truth
If we know the truth,
the truth will set us free.
The word of Jehovah God is sharp like sword
With power and authority.
Men don't live by bread alone
They live by God's words...the truth
If we speak the truth, God lives with us
If we lie, we are speaking the words
of the evil ones, father of all liars.
May God's words...the truth
be with us in our hearts
and our life for always.
Christian brothers & sisters, please help to spread the good news of God !
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Amour Capri (Caprichos)
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Username: Caprichos
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 08:54 pm: |
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"For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son, that who should ever believeth in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
- John 3:16 
Godspeed,
~Amour Capri~
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Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 03:47 am: |
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I share your belief in One True and only God also  God bless. One thing i think we can all agree on here at starlite is our need to love one another
Michael william James
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Mary Carter Mizrany (4preshuslamb)
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Username: 4preshuslamb
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:58 am: |
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Elizabeth, I am relatively new here, too: been a member for a couple of weeks now.
Welcome to Starlite Cafe, sweet angelsister.
Since I'm new, I really don't know the spiritual
beliefs of most members. As for me, I, too, am
a Christian. When I say I am a Christian it is
NOT to make anyone believe I am holier than thou.
Or that I have never sinned. It IS to let others know there is ONE ~ JESUS CHRIST ~ who
looked beyond my faults and saw my need . . . accepted me into Himself and PAID for my Salvation with His OWN LIFE.
Starlite Cafe is a wonderful family, Elizabeth.
I've found in my brief time here, others WANT to accept us. Most are NOT looking for a "fight"
sweet angelsister:-) You can just be yourself
without fear of condemnation.
I pray your heart finds a happy home at Starlite,
Elizabeth:-)
Blessings and love,
Maryxo
For every drop of kindness into another's cup
we pour; by HIS abundant mercy, God adds to
our cup, more:-)
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Elizabeth Frasier (His_pen)
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Username: His_pen
| | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
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I am new here and I will not argue or debate the Word of God. But I would like to make myself plain from the start. Jesus is alive and He lives in my heart. He was actually born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died in my sin, rose again and is now sitting at the right hand of the Father forever making intercession for me and yes, even you. He paid a debt He didn't owe and I owed a debt I couldn't pay. I am not my own, I was bought with a price. Jesus paid the price for my soul with His own blood. He gave His life that I might live. I will forever be grateful and will bow to no other. He is God and there is no other! |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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Username: Snowprincess
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:50 am: |
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Speaking the Truth Unites
"Speak truth each one of you with his neighbor."-Eph. 4:25 |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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Username: Snowprincess
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:46 am: |
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IT IS only reasonable that our loving Creator would provide a book of instruction and guidance for mankind. And do you not agree that humans need guidance?
More than 2,500 years ago, a prophet and historian wrote: “It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.” (Jeremiah 10:23) Today, the truthfulness of that statement is more evident than ever. Thus, historian William H. McNeill notes: “The human adventure on the face of this planet has been an almost uninterrupted series of crises and disruptions of society’s established order.”
The Bible fills all our needs for wise direction. True, many are overwhelmed when they first look through the Bible. It is a big book, and some portions of it are not easy to understand. But if you were given a legal document outlining what you had to do in order to receive a valuable inheritance, would you not take the time to study it carefully? If you found certain parts of the document hard to understand, likely you would get the help of someone experienced in such matters. Why not approach the Bible with a similar attitude? (Acts 17:11) More is at stake than a material inheritance. The knowledge of God can lead to everlasting life.
God has told the truth throughout the Bible. Should this not build your trust in what the Bible promises, such as its prophecies regarding a coming earthly paradise? Indeed, we can have the same confidence as did Paul, one of Jesus' first-century disciples, who wrote that 'God cannot lie.' (Titus 1:2) Furthermore, when we read the Scriptures and apply their counsel, we are exercising wisdom that humans cannot achieve on their own, for the Bible is the book that reveals the knowledge of God that leads to everlasting life.
Jehovah, the God of Truth. Jehovah is "the God of truth." (Ps 31:5) He is faithful in all his dealings. His promises are sure, for he cannot lie. (Nu 23:19; 1Sa 15:29; Ps 89:35; Tit 1:2; Heb 6:17, 18) He judges according to truth, that is, according to the way things really are, and not on the basis of outward appearance. (Ro 2:2; compare Joh 7:24.) Everything that emanates from him is pure and without defect. His judicial decisions, law, commandments, and word are truth. (Ne 9:13; Ps 19:9; 119:142, 151, 160) They are always right and proper, and they stand in opposition to all unrighteousness and error.
Like his Father Jehovah, Jesus Christ is "full of undeserved kindness and truth." (Joh 1:14; Eph 4:21) While on earth, he always spoke the truth as he had received it from his Father. (Joh 8:40, 45, 46) "He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth." (1Pe 2:22) Jesus represented things as they really were. Besides being 'full of truth,' Jesus was himself "the truth," and truth came through him. He declared: "I am the way and the truth and the life." (Joh 14:6) And the apostle John wrote: "The Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ."-Joh 1:17.
"The Spirit of the Truth." The spirit that proceeds from Jehovah God is pure and holy. It is "the spirit of the truth." (Joh 14:17; 15:26) Jesus Christ told his disciples: "I have many things yet to say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present. However, when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things coming."-Joh 16:12, 13.
God's Word Is Truth. God's Word presents things as they really are, revealing Jehovah's attributes, purposes, and commands, as well as the true state of affairs among mankind. God's Word of truth shows what is required for one to be sanctified or made holy, set apart for use by Jehovah in his service, and then to remain in a sanctified state. Hence, Jesus could pray respecting his followers: "Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth." (Joh 17:17; compare Jas 1:18.) Their obedience to the revealed truth of God's Word led them into sanctification, the truth being the means by which they purified their souls. (1Pe 1:22) Thus they stood out as "no part of the world" that did not adhere to God's truth.-Joh 17:16.
'Walking in the Truth.' Those who desire to gain God's approval should walk in his truth and serve him in truth. (Jos 24:14; 1Sa 12:24; Ps 25:4, 5; 26:3-6; 43:3; 86:11; Isa 38:3) This would include abiding by God's requirements and serving him in faithfulness and sincerity. To a Samaritan woman Jesus Christ said: "The hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." (Joh 4:23, 24) Such worship could not be based on imagination but would have to conform to what is in harmony with the actual state of things, consistent with what God has revealed in his Word about himself and his purposes.
reference (kl 12\22 The Book That Reveals the Knowledge of God; it-2 1130-1133 TRUTH)
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Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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Username: Snowprincess
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:21 am: |
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The apostle Paul wrote that there would come a time when men would not put up with healthful teaching, but in accord with their own desires, they would accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they would turn away from the truth. (2 Timothy 4:3, 4) Peter wrote that some unsteady persons were twisting the Scriptures to their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:16) And he wrote also that in the last days many would not believe in the promised presence of the Lord, saying: "From the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as from creation's beginning." Why? Peter stated that "according to their wish" the fact would escape their notice that God had executed judgment upon a wicked world in the days of Noah. (2 Peter 3:3-7) Yes, they would believe according to their wish.
In Jeremiah's time false prophets appropriated Jehovah's words to quote and mingle with their lies to impart a flavor of truth to their mixture, to further the acceptance of their falsehoods by tying in some truth. Jehovah disapproved: "Behold, I am against the prophets, saith Jehovah, that steal my words every one from his neighbor." (Jer. 23:30, AS) Both fundamentalist and modernist religions of today do the same thing, slanting and bending certain texts seemingly to support their pagan teachings or philosophical theorizings. Thus they give a Scriptural flavor to the deceptive speeches by which they tickle the ears of those that do not actually want the unadulterated truth of Jehovah's Word. This twisting of Scripture paves a broad way to destruction, as the apostle Peter said: "In them, however, are some things hard to understand, the meaning of which the untaught and unsteady are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2 Pet. 3:16, NW)
"Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright." (2 Tim. 2:15) We should always be alert to have the correct understanding of God's Word. We want to avoid twisting the Scriptures, as this would lead us to wrong conclusions and might stumble others. (2 Pet. 3:16) We also want to "shun empty speeches that violate what is holy; for they will advance to more and more ungodliness." (2 Tim. 2:16) Needless to say, this means being selective in our reading material. The Scriptures tell us that "to the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh." (Eccl. 12:12) Jehovah through his Son and the operation of the holy spirit has poured out upon his faithful servants on earth a superabundance of blessings and he has opened the minds and hearts of his "faithful and discreet slave" class to understand the true meaning of his Word. In turn, that faithful slave class passes on the precious truths to persons everywhere who will avail themselves of the treasures of truth. Our desire, then, should be truly to handle the Word of God aright.
(reference from the Watchtower Library:w55 2\15 112-116 Only One Right Religion; w73 4\1 201-207)}
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zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 06:55 pm: |
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Was Jesus Sent to be Crucified?
Was Jesus Sent to be Crucified? was Jesus crucified and offered infinite atonement for the sins of the world? . Let us investigate this topic from the Bible, and find out whether Jesus was sent to be crucified or that he was crucified:
1. Willingness of Jesus Christ to Die for Our Sins: Peter and the two sons of Zebedee were with Jesus Christ before the elders of the people and the chief priests came to take him to crucify him. Jesus at this point talked to Peter and the two sons of Zebedee as in Matthew 26:38 'Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.' Then Jesus went a little further way from them and prayed to God as in Matthew 26:39 'And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.' It is very clear from the above verse in Matthew 26:39 that Jesus had no intention of dying. In this verse it is shown that Jesus was praying strongly (Matthew mentions that Jesus repeated these prayer three time) to have this death removed from him. Had Jesus Christ been sent to be crucified he would not have hesitated to be killed at all. When I relate this to my Christian brothers, they tell me that this hesitation comes from the flesh side of him (in other words he was tempted), and that his soul which is godly does not have this hesitation at all. When we look at Matthew 26:38 we see that Jesus is contradicting this idea by saying, 'My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death.' (Matthew 26:38). He himself says that it really his soul that is hesitating and not his body. These are Jesus' own words.
2. God Answered the prayers of Jesus Christ: After Jesus made the above mentioned prayer he was answered by God according to Hebrews 5:7 'Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.' These words clearly show that when Jesus was praying strongly to God, God would grant him his request. The word 'heard in that he feared' (Hebrews 5:7) mean that God granted him what he requested. So the above verse shows that when Jesus asked of God to 'let this cup pass from' (Matthew 26:39) him, God respond to his prayer and saved him from death or crucifixion.
3. The Post Crucifixion Prophesied Events never happened: When the people were asking Jesus Christ if he was going to show them a sign, He replied by saying that the only sign that they should expect is the sign of Jonas. Jesus also made sure to specify what exactly this sign was. The details are shown in the following verses: Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jesus here emphasized what will happen to him by specifically saying that he will be like Jonas in terms of the number of days and nights he will be in the heart of the earth, ' For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' (Matthew 12:40). Now let us see if this prophecy came to pass. Jesus was crucified on Friday, this is certainly known among all Christians, and that is the reason for calling that Friday by 'Good Friday'. Jesus was buried on Friday night. Now let us start counting: 1.Friday night Jesus was buried. This is night number 1. 2.Saturday day Jesus was still in the grave. This is day number 1. 3.Saturday night Jesus was still in the grave. This is night number 2. Mary Magdalene, very early in the morning before sun rise and after the Sabbath (Saturday), went to the see Jesus, and he was not there. The following verses relate this event: Mark 16:1 And when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Mark 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? Mark 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great. Mark 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. Mark 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. The number of days and nights that Jesus had spent in the heart of the earth is 1 day and 2 nights. This clearly challenges what Jesus had prophesied. When I tell this to my Christian brothers, some of them responded by saying that what Jesus wanted to really say was that he will be gone for a while, and not that he will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. This is clearly not the case. Had Jesus meant that, he would have said it, but it is clear that he wanted the people to know that this was a sign (miracle) and that it will be like Joans' sign, and that he will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. These were his own words.
4. Why Would Jesus Have to Die on the Cross? According to the Christian doctrine, Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. The idea here is that every human is born with sins, or that all humans will sin, and therefore it was necessary that someone as pure as Jesus would be the crucified to nullify these sins. The question is; why does anyone have to die for our sins when God, the All-Merciful, could as easily give us forgiveness if we ask for it? Isn't God the one who makes the rules? Why does He have to make someone suffer for our sins or for someone else's sins? Isn't that unjust of Him? According to the Bible the way to redemption could be obtained without the need for sacrifice. The Bible says: Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Ezekiel 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Clearly the soul that sins shall die. Clearly that no one shall bear the iniquity (sins) of others. So Jesus cannot bear the sins of others either. If one is righteous then it shall be upon him, and if one commits a sin then it shall be upon him, and not on Jesus. Finally, the way to repentance and forgiveness is by turning from all sins, doing what is right, and keeping the commandments. Also we see the same message given by Solomon. He says in the book of Ecclesiastes 12:13 'Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.' This is the whole message, and this is the conclusion of messages. It is that one should fear God, and keep the commandments, and nothing else. Again in 2 Chronicles 7:14 'If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.' This clearly states that to seek forgiveness from God we have to humble ourselves, pray and seek God, and turn away from wickedness. Finally the Bible says in Samuel 15:22 'And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.' This clearly states that obeying God is better that sacrifice whether this sacrifice is of objects, animals, or humans, or any other type. What God likes is for us to heed and obey Him, and if that is what God likes then it is not of Him to come later and change his mind, and change his ways. God says in the Holy Quran, 'Verily God is All-Knowing, All-Wise' (Ch 9: Vr 28). Now that we have seen this, Christians say that Jesus has changed some of these laws. Let's look at what Jesus says. In Matthew 5:17 'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.' Jesus clearly states that he was not sent to abolish the law, the law of which had already existed. So what is mentioned above cannot be discounted. Then Jesus continues to say, in Matthew 5:18 and 19 'For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.' Jesus here states that not even as much as a dot (tittle) shall not pass from the law. Every thing is kept the way it was. That is why the previous laws cannot be removed or discarded, and those who willfully change these laws 'he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.'
was there any Ressurection? when Jesus returned to that upper room after his alleged crucifixion: 'And saith unto them, (his disciples), 'Peace be unto you'' (Luke 24:36), and his disciples were terrified on recognizing him?'' When one recognizes one's long-lost friend or one's beloved, the natural reaction is to feel overjoyed, elated and one wants to embrace and kiss the hands and feet of the beloved. Why did they get terrified?' they (the disciples) thought that they were seeing a ghost.: 'Did Jesus look like a ghost?' : 'No.' 'Then why did they think that they were seeing a ghost when he did not look like a ghost Disciples Not Eye Witnesses 'You see, the disciples of Jesus were not eye-witnesses or ear-witnesses to the actual happenings of the previous three days, as vouched for by St. Mark who says that at the most critical juncture in the life of Jesus: 'they all forsook him and fled.' (Mark 14:50). All the knowledge of the disciples regarding their Master was from hearsay. They had heard that their master was hanged on the Cross; they had heard that he had given up the Ghost; they had heard that he was dead and buried for three days. If one is confronted by a person with such a reputation then the conclusion is inescapable; they must be seeing a ghost. Little wonder these ten brave men were petrified.' 'To disabuse their minds from the fear that gripped them, Jesus reasoned with them. He said: 'Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself' in plain English this is how he told them: 'What is wrong with you fellows, can't you see that I am the same person - who walked and talked with you, broke bread with you - flesh and blood in all respects.' Why do doubts enter your minds? 'Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones as you see me have.' (Luke 24:39). In other words he is telling them: 'If I have flesh and bones, then I am not a ghost, not a spook and not a spirit!'' , Jesus is telling them, as recorded in this verse, in basic English, that what the disciples were asked to 'handle and see' was not a translated body, not a metamorphosed body and not a resurrected body, because a resurrected body is a spiritualised body. He is telling them in the clearest language humanly possible that he is not what they were thinking. They were thinking that he was a spirit, a resurrected body, one having been brought back from the dead. He is most emphatic that he is not!' Spiritualization 'But how can you be so sure that the resurrected body cannot materialize physically as Jesus had obviously done?' : 'Because Jesus had himself pronounced that the resurrected bodies get spiritualised.' When did he say any such thing?' : 'Do you remember the incident as recorded in the Gospel of St. Luke, chapter 20, where the learned men of the Jews- 'the chief priests and the scribes with the elders'- had come to him with a number of posers, and among them was one about a Jewess who had seven husbands in turn, one after another according to a Jewish custom, and in time all seven husbands and the woman too died?' The Reverend said that he did remember the occasion. I continued: 'The trap that the religious hierarchy was trying to spring on him was; which one of the seven husbands was going to possess the woman on the 'Other side'- at the resurrection?- since they reasoned with Jesus that the seven brothers had her. There was no problem while they fulfilled their obligation of trying to give her a child, because they had possessed her one by one in turn, and it was after the death of one that the other had taken her to wife. But since at the resurrection all seven will be brought to life simultaneously, there will be strife in heaven because all seven would want to get at her at the same time, specially if they had pleasure with her.' 'Jesus debunked their false notion of the resurrection, by saying that at the resurrection: 'neither shall they die any more' (Luke 20:36) meaning that the resurrected persons will be Immortalised. They will not be subject to death any more, no more hanger or thirst, no more fatigue. In short, all the instruments of death will be powerless against the resurrected body. Jesus continues to explain: 'for they (the resurrected bodies) are equal unto the angles,' that is, that they will be Angelised - spiritualised, that they will become spirit-creatures, i.e. Spirits;'and the children of God, for such are the children of the resurrection.' (Luke 20:36). Jesus Not Spiritualised :. To assure them further after having offered his hands and feet for inspection and verification that his was a material, physical body, and that all their bewilderment and disbelief was unjustified, he asked his disciples: 'Have you here any meat?' (Meaning something to eat). 'And they gave him a piece of broiled fish and of a honeycomb, and he took it, and did eat before them.' (Luke 24:41-43) A Drama? What was Jesus trying to prove by all his demonstrations of wanting his hands and feet to be handled and chewing and masticating broiled fish and honeycomb? Was all this a pretense, make-belief, an act or drama? 'No!' Said Schleliermacher in 1819, . Albert Schweizer records him saying: 'If Christ had only eaten to show that he could eat, while he really had no need of nourishment, it would have been a pretense, something docetic.'( In Quest of the Historical Jesus, page 64). No Resurrection ?' Jesus is telling you in the most unambiguous language that he is not a spirit - not spiritualised, not a resurrected person, and yet the whole Christian world believes that he was resurrected, i.e. spiritualised.. Now here are the verses discussed put together : '..Jesus himself stood in their midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you...But they were terrified, and supposing that they were seeing a spirit... And he said unto them,.. 'Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have'... And showed them his hands and feet... And while they yet believed not for joy and wondered, he said unto them, 'Have ye here any meat?'.. And they gave him a piece of broiled fish
The Quran denies the crucifixion in the following verses
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, MOST GRACIOUS, MOST MERCIFUL
. That they said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.';- But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
( Chap 4. Verse 157-158)
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rachel mary (Gaby)
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| | Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 03:24 am: |
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right on, mik3y....sacrifice means giving up something (or someone for that matter) that is very precious to you.... because of the knowledge that something good will come out of it...
it really does take a great tragedy to make people turn to God...sometimes it's silly to think that,but that's reality...
just to make a point,God did create people perfect & poeple had a harmonious relationship with God..but because of sin,poeple bacame separated from God...
during our life here on earth,we will never be completely perfect...we will only become perfect if & when we get to heaven where everything is perfect...here on earth,we are being trained to become like Jesus Christ...but before we start living like Him,we must first understand & learn that He is perfect & we can't get to God if we don't go through His Son Jesus... |
Michael .P (Mik3y)
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 08:53 pm: |
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Point a finger at him and your pointing ten fold at yourself ease up on the wild accusations. God did not want to kill his son okay, he wanted us to have a better life to get to heaven and his son was showing us the way. But much like we turn away from God everyday nowdays so did people back then and that is why jesus died because man could not turn away from sin it took an execution of jesus to bring people to there senses. Weird perhaps a bit to extreme you'd think? But then look at sept 11th or the tsunami it took Great tragedy to get people uniting together to help others! Think about it
Michael william James
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Dawn Adamo (Dawntheyawn)
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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That's still a ridiculous argument. Why did he have to kill his son to pay the price and why does killing your son pay the price. The death of a God-son represents an infinite sum?
Either way, if God is all Good he should just forgive us carte blanche and not test us. I personally avoid people who are testing every move I make and can't deal with the fact I'm not perfect. Makes God seem like a pretty anal annoying cretin, if you ask me. Some people sin big time. Often it's because God made them all screwed up in the first place. Then he says he wants to hold them accountable for it. But then, to make himself look like the big shot he makes some virgin pregnant and has her son brutally killed to make up for the imperfections he put in us in the first place.
Gime me a freaking break.
I can accept the possibility that the universe maybe didn't just pop into existence, but to accept all that is really insulting one's intellect.
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rachel mary (Gaby)
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| | Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2005 - 04:44 am: |
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cj....to respond to the forgiveness of sins. God has been doing that since the beginning of time... he is sick & tired of giving people "second chances" because after the've been forgiven of their sins, they turn around & start sinning again... so God decided to sacrifice his sinless, perfect Son to pay the ultimate price once & for all... we are sinners, therefore we deserve to die but Jesus payed the price so we don't have to...
about suffering the worst execution ever...the people back during Jesus' time had a different system than we do now... it's not the exect same suffering...
about God being all'powerful....God is love..he wanted a family to love...he wasn't lonely...he was in a perfect love relationship with himself (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit).... so he created us (in his image) so that he can truly express his love & that we also might share it with others... merely by watching be ourselves gives him pleasure or 'entertains' him... we were created to give God pleasure... BUT, we DO NOT give him pleasure in our sinful nature... |
Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2005 - 02:09 pm: |
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"Fairy Tales" Careful now cj your drawing a fine line, theres no need for that especially since you don't believe chairs exist ;P
I like everyone else cant explain but what i can do for you is give you some possible reasoning you cant seem to find in a God who sacrafices his son for us. Community service and forgivness is how succesful amoungst us all? I'd say on a scale of 1-10 it'd be about a 2. However how succesful would it be today if jesus christ came to earth again put a giant cross in the sky and had his fathers voice heard by all "I am The creator of all" or something to that effect right after someone crucified him or gave him the chair etc. He gave a piece of him to us, if jesus didn't die we wouldn't know the stories Gods plan wouldnt of gone ahead and we'd still be tit for tat.
The turning the other cheek thing is not easy as you'd well know Christians are not expected to always turn the cheek because we're sinners. The point is that we should honestly strive for when it comes to turnning the other cheek. Someone who breaks the law slips and disobeys once that doesn't necessarily mean they have complete disrespect for the law and are not true law abiding citizens!
Michael william James
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Carl-John X. Veraja (Carljohn)
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I'm not insulting, I'm questioning. There is a difference but typically people who base their lives on fairy tales don't pick up on these things.
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Carl-John X. Veraja (Carljohn)
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Also, if you don't turn the other cheek you are not following Christ's doctrine and therefore can't define yourself as a Christian.
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Carl-John X. Veraja (Carljohn)
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It's one of many absurdities. Like why would an all-powerful being that created a gigantic universe care about what a bunch of little intelligent short-lived creatures on one little planet are doing or thinking? You'd think he'd find better ways to entertain himself.
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Carl-John X. Veraja (Carljohn)
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 09:04 am: |
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I don't understand what you would be angry about. I just don't buy the necessity for sacrifice if God is all-powerful and all-good.
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William Spencer (Bubby)
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 08:41 am: |
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CJ...your lucky I cant reach through your monitor....this is one christian that does not turn the other cheek.May God have mercy on your soul. |
Carl-John X. Veraja (Carljohn)
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 06:43 am: |
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I didn't realize the Passion of the Christ was a documentary (te-hee). But I'm not saying Jesus didn't get a butt whooping. However, he didn't, for instance, get his guts pulled out and burned in from of him. They didn't stick a red hot poker up his butt and break glass in his penis. He wasn't drawn and quartered. I just don't buy that he got the worst torture and execution ever.
I also don't understand why it was necessary to sacrifice Jesus to cleanse us of our sins. If God is all powerful just forgive us and give us community service or something.
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rachel mary (Gaby)
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you're absolutely right mik3y.... the Bible says that the perfect representation of God is Jesus Christ... & if we closely look at how Jesus lived, we'll find that if we want to be like Christ, we have to really work at it...& it's not easy... 'man' is sinful & selfish by nature..to learn to be like Christ,we can first take a look at the fruit of the Spirit (love,joy,peace,patience,etc), then the beatitudes
never in Jesus' life on earth did he ever sin...he was tempted but he didn't sin...& yet he was accused of breaking the law...
he took on himself the sin of the world to accomplish his ultimate task on earth....
& to comment on Jesus getting off easy...he actually endured the toughest of all tough beatings that ever happened in the history of the universe... if you've seen the movie "The Passion of the Christ" you'll understand what i mean...by the time the Romans had him carry the cross to Calvary,he was practically half dead.... |
Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Im glad that the original topic can be lost to group boasting/supporting of intellect!
From what i have been "Taught" God loved us so much and saw our own free will causing us to lose any purpose in life, he sent the word of God "Jesus" Son of Man [refer to the trinity] down from heaven to us. Jesus clarified all to everyone he could he did not want to die hence he tried to tell as many people as he could the true meanings of Gods word! An attempt pre-crucifixtion to save lives as well as better them. As far as the storys been taught i doubt in all reason jesus could of backed out and ran away, the movies make pontious pilot look like an assertive democrat[if there is such a thing] pontius had executed many despite the story of his wife dreaming bla bla he would not simply let jesus go like some have suggested. Not to mention it was in Gods will that jesus the son of man would be crucified nailed with the sins of the world! To suggest "Suicide" shows you have little knowledge of the story or you are just trying to •••• stir *takes your stick* Not that anyone needs it now instead! *gives you all fluffy protective hats for your brains! Oh beautiful now you can protect the only thing you really need in life ;)
Back to what i was saying theres more to it than just taking away our sins it gave us forgivness and a new way of life i.e love and respecting one another no matter what! He didnt wave a magical wand to make us forgive and be great christians but instead not only left us with a choice and his word, but showed us the way to live here on earth. The idea of never failing so long as you keep honestly trying and never give up comes to mind
Michael william James
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CEEJ (Carljohn)
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actually, Jesus got off easy compared to many executed by the Romans... |
Christopher Rene Monchgesang (Grendel)
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No blood no report william.
My pen name is Elegant Grendel.
Actually Jimbo has massacred me twice now, `tis getting to be fun, maybe i will stick around. Cheerio.
"She came towards me with the light like it was the like light of heavenly grace, and the first thing that flashed into me gulliver was that I'd like to have her right down there on the floor with the old in-out, real savage"
~Alex A Clockwork Orange
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William Spencer (Bubby)
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Didn't realize you had apologized Chris, until after I posted..As what's her name would say..."never mind"!!.
Just yanking your chain.No harm ,no foul.
Please continue.Jimbo requires a daily mental workout or he will start dipping snuff again.lol
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Christopher Rene Monchgesang (Grendel)
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Jimbo----
Conceptual Standards mean little to one who eats to many mushrooms.
"She came towards me with the light like it was the like light of heavenly grace, and the first thing that flashed into me gulliver was that I'd like to have her right down there on the floor with the old in-out, real savage"
~Alex A Clockwork Orange
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