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Mik3y
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 11:02 pm: | 
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The disciples were to be Jesus's religious leaders lacydee so the argument you made doesnt clearly add up. Jesus gave authority to Peter and the permission to pass this on and make disciples of the nations etc etc
You will truely see a great example of service to the people through reliious leaders.
When i speak of religion or religious i speak of them when they represent God, anytime they mis-use their position or speak on account of themselves they truely represent only themselves. So when you say difference between a religious person to someone who believes in Jesus christ and follows him truthfuly. No difference. There is however a difference between a follower of christ and someone who doesnt follow Christ.
If organized religion was only mere training wheels i would certainly not need them. Jesus organised a religion its there in the bible itself. He gathered 12 men, he made disciples he spread the word, he built the church on the rock. Peters faith - God!
We seem to be tied around shoe laces and technicalities here of mis-representations, decievment, mi-understandings, exaggeration and propaghanda. Don't be a fool for those traps.
Michael william James
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Njaeok
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 12:47 pm: |
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Dee --
I would not have said it that way but I see your words and they have a resonance with my attitude.
To my attitude the church with it's faith, beliefs, rituals and organization is like training wheels in coming to know divinity. They get one closer and closer but an individual will never "KNOW DIVINITY" until they have gone beyond the "TRAINING WHEELS" of the techniques of organizied riligion.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Lacydee
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Username: Lacydee
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 05:23 am: |
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There is a difference between being "relgious" and actually having Jesus Christ live in your heart and have that personal experiance. Jesus walked with sinners, because they were the ones who needed to know the truth. Notice he did not hang around with the "religious leaders" for they already thought they were equal to God. He came as a lowly servant, to show us, how to serve. That is one of our main purposes as Christians, to serve Him, and to also serve others. Didn't He wash the disciple's feet? and told them to do likewise? We are here, as God's hands and His feet, to help others, and go spread the Word that God loves everyone and sent Jesus to die in our place. Heaven is real, as is Hell....He came to save those who are lost. That is the meaning of being a Christian. Loving with a Christ-like, unconditional love for all mankind, and caring enough to do something about it, and not just talk about it. Thanks for a place to speak my mind, and my heart. Dee
"Ask me not what I do, but what I do for Christ"
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Mik3y
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 05:10 am: |
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No more corrupt than a self centred individual who avoids groups and organises their own religion. No different to any other human. Yet labels will be made and defined as the attacker chooses. Call it poltics, intimidation, fear, greed, bullsh!t etc..call it human nature if you dare. I call it time for more self control! I do not believe greed is something uncontrolable on account of the individual.
Michael william James
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Njaeok
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 - 12:24 am: |
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Yeah Michael you are certainly correct that people organize everything.
Organizations become corrupt over time as the original purpose of the organization is diverted to maintaining the existence of the organization and the status of the members.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Mik3y
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Monday, June 04, 2007 - 09:48 pm: |
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Rubbish thats like saying no one organises their religion. As in someone has a religion with no clear yes or no's..no limits etc. We humans organise everything. What is wrong however is those who let down the organisation whether they be somewhere in the leadership role or simply a participant. Spirituality and religion go hand in hand. Enough said.
Michael william James
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Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 01:00 pm: |
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Michelle---
When one is willing to play fast and loose with the meaning of words then spirituality and religion (or the adverse), can be demonstrated in nose picking or properly shaped cow turds. In fact mushrooms grown in cow turds initiate more profound spiritual states in a month then does organized religion in a generation.
Jimbo
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Michelle Thomas (Rainn)
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Username: Rainn
| | Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 04:54 am: |
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oooo... I missed this one...
Spirituality is having faith, Religion is organizing that faith.
Jimbo... it is possible to find spirituality without religion. I'm living proof. I am for the most part anti-religious, but i am a very spiritual person as well a a spiritual leader.
Rainn - poetess and priestess
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Stephanie (Oak_twilight)
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Username: Oak_twilight
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 01:45 pm: |
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I'm actually quite shocked by the first post. I feel that Spirituality is just believing in whatever faith an individual practices, not just stopping at the monotheistic faiths. I feel that Spirituality is a lot simpler than we all make it out to be. 
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Nita G Isenhour (Atin)
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Username: Atin
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 07:14 pm: |
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If He's not in your heart, you probably won't find Him within the confines of a building on Sundays.
nita
Everything I know about poetry, I learned from Dr Seuss.
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Martin Howard (Martin)
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Username: Martin
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 10:23 pm: |
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Intriguing discussion...and some great posts. |
ashleigh short (Layla0530)
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Username: Layla0530
| | Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 10:54 am: |
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you're right about religion. I go to church but I go for the simple fact that I get to worship God and have fellowship with others which is what it says to do in the bible. I follow the bible which is truth. Man can corrupt even Gods love and that can be seen in some churches. I have a deep faith in not the church but God. Also it's sad how so many have such a bad view of religion because of those who pervert it. God is there for the taking and he is always searching for us as we should always be searching for him. You do not need a church to tell you what kind of relationship you can have with God |
natasha nicole larry (Witchprincess)
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Username: Witchprincess
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 06:07 pm: |
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Hard to dispute that fact Jimbo, and I can dispute almost anything ;)
A wretched soul bruised by adversity...we bid we quiet when we hear it cry...but were we burdened by like weight of pain...as much or more we should ourselves complain...
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Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 10:52 am: |
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I had a friend in the military who was an intelligent healthy person but could not get a drivers permit. He was unable to see colors. He had found many remarkable and creative ways to work around his problem so that he could be a valuable and productive person.
There were folks who tried to equate this inability with some sort of character defect. It just wasn't so. If there was any character defect it was in the characters of those attempting to acquire some sense of supriority from the difference in my friend's way of sensing light. It soon became obvious that his difference gave him a very sensitive night vision which was a valuable asset on night patrols and covert missions.
The term "spirituality" covers a wide range of human resoponses to the senses of morality and divinity. Many folks express their spirituality through social activities while others do so through private activities and others through all sorts of variations in between. One way of sincere spiritual seeking is neither better nor worse then another, only different.
Jimbo
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Martin Howard (Martin)
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Username: Martin
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 09:35 am: |
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Yeah, true spiritualism is tangible- while many religions are displayed in a physical manner and
lack a connection to the truth of the spirit. I've seen this to vary from person to person
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natasha nicole larry (Witchprincess)
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Username: Witchprincess
| | Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 01:38 pm: |
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I'm speaking in terms of people...for example...church goers. who practice a doctrine of religion...such as christianity...but still lack a grip on their spiritual life. i have met many people who claim to be "religious" and whom i dont consider at all to be spiritual.
A wretched soul bruised by adversity...we bid we quiet when we hear it cry...but were we burdened by like weight of pain...as much or more we should ourselves complain...
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Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 11:39 am: |
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Religion: Concern over what exists beyond the visible world, differentiated from philosophy in that it operates through faith or intuition rather then reason and usually includes the notion of a transcendental spiritual entity or entities that have created the world.
I would be delighted to learn of a type of spirituality which did not qualify as religion.
Jimbo
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natasha nicole larry (Witchprincess)
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Username: Witchprincess
| | Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 11:08 am: |
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i agree. 
A wretched soul bruised by adversity...we bid we quiet when we hear it cry...but were we burdened by like weight of pain...as much or more we should ourselves complain...
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Helen Belinda Wade (Hotsytotsymomma)
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Username: Hotsytotsymomma
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 10:13 pm: |
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I have found, the more of a church goer a person is the more that they leave ther spiritual thinking and there personal talking to a supreme power to their elders in their church.
This is not a 100% thing, it is just my opinion, but I find being responsible for my actions now beats all the Hail Marys later.
And this is a beliefe i have across most religions
except for possibly the Unitarians or Universalist
That believe theirs a little truth in all religions. but that no religion has all the truth.
Now that I'm off my soap box I'm going to bed.
Good night |
