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ramesh kavdia (Loveandpeace)
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| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2005 - 12:13 am: | 
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ALL MY DEAR FRIENDS
thank you for sharing this thread, I am back again.
aeth
I tell you, instead of getting confused that which meditation technique we must use, just accept relaxation, witnessing and awareness with every moment of life, meditation will happen by its own natural way.
nevada
we are not emptying the mind from thoughts, we are just witnessing our mind, our body , our existence as a whole and this takes ur in state of non doing, which is meditation.
carljohn
we can attain meditation instead saying this we can say that meditation is happening every moment what so ever activity we do, if we are witnessing and observing every moment with a three dimensional vision.
scott
by doing prayer we feel that we are getting surrendered to some supernatural power but in meditation we are witnessing, we are getting relaxed, transformation is happening, all energies get calmed and the real essence is , out awareness starts flowing, there is no surrender but there is still non doing state.
love you all friends
keep sharing
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Scott Whitmore (Emhotep)
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| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 09:49 pm: |
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I am one, who
can understand & enjoy all that Meditation can do
for the " WHOLE SELF ". Meditation is also a form
of SPIRITUAL act, just as much as a prayer. When I
do meditate I " SPIRIT WALK ", which is kinda hard
to explain without a one 2 one talk. Jesus Christ
himself would go " meditate ", so to totaly trash
any truth and or quality regarding MEDITATION show
a closed MIND / HEART / SOUL. May You Be Held By
God's Loving Embrace & Grace.
 }
Ona Gwe, Waki
Wm Scott Whitmore
aka
Em~Hotep
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CEEJ (Carljohn)
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| | Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 07:25 am: |
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you can achieve that by surfing the net for five or six hours
Chocolate for Momma?
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Paulette Weaver (Nevada)
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 04:40 pm: |
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Even in its basic form, meditation is not for the purpose of emptying the mind of all thoughts; that is an impossibility. What is the purpose, though, is to master the technique of emptying the mind of all thoughts as quickly as they enter your mind.
nevada
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NielsSodergrann (Aeth)
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 02:51 am: |
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Nice thread!
I must say, I have come into contact with many and diverse forms of meditation and I cannot say that they at all are the same.
Some are specific for the body, others specific for the ethics and then again others specific for the mind.. etc. etc.
So when we talk about "Meditation" as one dicipline we might be simplifying the issue a bit.
Also, people talk too much about their own/other's experiences! This I see as the pest-like source of religion. No offence to anyone, I am "guilty of the crime" myself ;)
As if I could draw any conclusions from another person's experiences that are specific to that persons universe/past/etc.
Why not just give the techniques and let people experience their own advances for themselves?
To relate meditation to those aspiring towards greater poetic / litterary inspiration: I came into contact once with a "meditative" technique that was interesting. One had to write 3 pages of whatever (mind-bable, associative thought, or just whatever popped into the mind) every morning. This enabled one to get a "brain-drain", i.e. empty the mind of thoughts and thus make room for clearer inspiration. Hows that for meditation ;)
Have fun everyone and great inspiration to you all 
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ramesh kavdia (Loveandpeace)
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 09:05 am: |
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what ever you believe whether you think that meditation is yoga or meditation is a tool to attain enlightenment or meditation is worshipping any god and so on
what ever way you do, doing meditation is not important, important is happening
what is happening inside you
what transformation is going inside you
meditation is experiencing not knowing
meditation is happening by its own flow
when it happens then the way you choose becomes secondary part or small thing.
I agree with you Jim because what you said was from other angle, but what I am saying is a whole because If i say by a particular angle I would have not talk about the three dimensional vision.
Yes meditation has become a social game, a business but still I say the concept or theme of transformation with in us is same whatso ever way we choose. And the results what we get we cannot define by words that we get so much this so much that, it can just be experienced. |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 11:13 am: |
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I suppose being a skeptic sort of becomes a habit after while. I remember when "meditation" had the meaning of focusing on a difficult situation and quietly sorting out a direction of action. Meditation without follow up action was meaningless.
Then along came "Transcendental Meditation". Sounds great! Has that appeal to the ego. Going to transcend something, you know, get ahead, be above, or become superior to something.
Hummm--- Isn't the whole point of quietly focusing on the reality of a situation an effort to get the ego out of the way so one can see what is real instead of what one wishes to be reality?
Now really, there is nothing inheirently wrong with devising all sorts of fancy techniques of "Meditation" and giving and getting lots of warm fuzzy social strokes in the process. I love that sort of thing. Personally I prefer a good hoe down at one extreme or a good game of chess at the other. Different strokes for different folks.
Does anyone fancy for a second that my distant cousin, who just got his head lopped off over in Iraq, could have "meditated" his way out of that situation?
Does anyone fancy for a second that we could have all got together and "meditated" my cousin to some other diminsion or some such thing?
Reality does not work that way my friends. Meditation in my opinion has become a social game which has somehow led a lot of folks to expect to get different results from the same old behavior.
Sorry my friends-- I'm a bit of an angry skeptic today.
Jimbo
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Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 09:35 am: |
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Oh Oh--
Bubby issa sippen at corn squeezens again en mistaken at clabber cheeze fer yooogert.
Now Bubby ya knows I ain't nebber milked nutten. Ats women's work. You knows I wern't wearen Elly May's skirt. I wassa maken eh parachuute outa her skirt. You knows at wern't no rouge on my knees. At was iodine what Nelly Fay put on when at skirtchuute got blowed inna wind en drug me cross at Johnson grass stubble inna hay field. You jus ax Sky. He wassa bailen hay when it happen.
Jimbo
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Elizabeth Dandy (Blumentopf)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 08:57 am: |
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In my humble opinion I would say that Yoga, the Hatha Yoga is excellet for the body and medition, the quieting of the mind is too.
I was years ago into Transcendental Meditation, but quit, as I could not reconcile the goal to be attained with my religeous convictions. While both Yoga and meditation are excellent in themselves, - the crux is the what goal is to be reached and aimed at. Selfish self-absorption, or the energy released to be used to go out and be of service with it. There was a Belgian Benedictine monk who wrote a marvellous book " La voix du silence" The "voice of silence",- a Christian form of Hatha Yoga and meditation. I forgot his name, but he was very much in vogue in Canada and elsewhere.
I believe every honest technique can be exploited for the Greater Glory of God, with the strength derived from it to be dispensed for the world. |
William Spencer (Bubby)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 08:36 am: |
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Ramesh,pardon my humor in this thread.Actually Jimbo put me up to it.Years ago,I practised meditation under the guidance of Dr Roy Masters.Have you heard of him?This was transcendental meditation,and I used it for a few years until I found enlightenment in Jesus Christ.Many do not believe in him,yet I have found true peace in his teachings.As for yoga itself,it has tremendous effects for peacefullness,relaxation and self awareness.Chi Fitness is also a wonderful book on life force energy.Jimbo tried the general chakra meditation and had visions of becoming a hog farmer.His affirmation was that he could win a blue ribbon at the county fair.Not for the hogs, but for himself.He has quite the ego.OHM.OHM.OHM.OHM.OHM.OHM.OHM.... Hugs, Bub |
ramesh kavdia (Loveandpeace)
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Username: Loveandpeace
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 07:50 am: |
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bubby you really make me laugh, I feel there is a twist comming in the story , you are turning a spiritual thread in a comedy serial, any way I cannot stop myself laughing,
thanks tess, I feel this article is worthy for you, thanks jimbo to see you here.what i wrote about meditation is very small part of my observations, only the basic things, meditation in life is just like importance of oxygen in life. It is for everyone immaterial of any caste or religion.
It is a process to rise our awareness, to turn our negetive energies into positive energies, it is contionuous process. |
William Spencer (Bubby)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 11:43 pm: |
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Jimbo, Ah wuz trying this hyar meddytatshun yogurt thingy and ah saw a vishun of you milking Elly May....my goodness gracious sakes alive!! |
William Spencer (Bubby)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 11:40 pm: |
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Well, the cats out of the bag now.So your the one that told those fibs about me.Jimbo, I would never attempt such mercenary tactics on you and your dog-gone,lie telling,pie stealing,plum drinking ,tractor wrecking,bad self.Besides,I promised Ellie May that I wouldn't tell everyone about you wearing her dress'es and putting rouge on your kneecaps.Maybe we bedder try this yogurt stuff,ya think?Bubs |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 10:03 pm: |
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Now Bubby, quit fibbing. That was Elly May and she was not a size two. She was a twenty two. You wound up with your limbs tied in a knot because you referred to her religion as devout bovine. At least some sneaky big mouth told her you said that. heheheh
Jimbo
Jimbo
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William Spencer (Bubby)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 09:05 pm: |
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Well Tessie poo..I lost a dress size too,once upon a time. I forget her last name....The last time I tried Yoga,I got my legs tied in a knot and had to walk on my elbows for a week. |
Theresa S. (Tess)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 08:13 pm: |
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Thanks for this, Ramesh! These were some good tips! I do yoga three times a week and have worked meditation into my yoga regime. I really think it helps! Just clears my head! And I have come to see my physical being as part of something greater!
Plus, ladies, I have lost a dress size due to my yoga work outs!
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William Spencer (Bubby)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 01:54 pm: |
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Now, if you could only have all radical Muslim terrorists engage in this activity,it would truly be a peaceful world. |
ramesh kavdia (Loveandpeace)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 12:18 pm: |
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\bThe Master Key of all the questions which arise in your mind,
The search for your enlightment, eternal peace, happiness, anything and everything...
Is hidden in the art of meditation
There is a lot already said about meditation, daily new and newer techniques are developed about meditation , almost all religions have special a place and importance for meditation still this world is full of jealousy, hatred and disasters.
The efforts of spiritual masters on this earth is covering a small percentage of people and the real network all over this world is not yet established, There is yet a strong need of network to be established among intelligence class all over the world and for this the basic logics and concepts of meditation should be accepted by this class so that their energy can be transformed completely into positiveness and hence all intelligence class people should come into oneness, multiply their potentiality and spread it all over this world to unite this world with feeling of oneness , peace and love everywhere.
Different spiritual masters or religious personalities have developed different techniques but somehow some meditations have turned more complicated, or turn into mechanical form or illusive forms and some have been sticked with their religions and hence a common oneness of meditation is yet to be developed. Although the ultimate goals of mediations for different techniques of meditation is one and the same thing, enlightment, eternal peace, happiness but the methods which they are using are not always effective and not to all the individuals who practice them.
The real essence of meditation is based on very easy logics and concepts. And to practice in real and experience it has been very complicated and confusing and the person who experience any technique of meditation has an illusion that now he has attained everything and after some time passes he again comes in his previous state of grief, hatred, jealousy anger etc.
Not only this but the spiritual journey for each individual varies from the other, but looking at the other and by the matter of comparing in form of different levels the individual start pretending himself that oh my neighbour has attained enlightment I should also pretend to do so and thus his journey starts in reverse direction.
There is a strong need of meditation which covers meditation in their natural forms, natural essence without creating confusions, complications or illusions and the techniques used for practicing meditation must be very natural and directly linked with the basic logics of meditation.
Now what are the basic logics of meditations.
But before that I will like to discuss with you what I have observed about meditation and give you my view about what is meditation. Mediation is first of all not a mind game, or a type of concentration or a type of exercise or any mechanical technique. It is purely related with your wholeness, to transform your energy into positiveness, turn your spirit into the state of blissfulness. And once you start practising meditation then if everything is turning into positiveness within yourself then this is the signal that your spiritual growth or spiritual journey is moving towards right direction. But if you start pretending yourself as a great master after learning few techniques of meditation and suddenly you find that still there is lot of negativeness present in you , this means you are still nourishing your ego and mind too.
Once you enter into meditation there is no way to come out since meditation is a twenty four hours practice or we can say a life long practice for your spiritual energy and if you come out of the meditation and pretend yourself that you are still in meditation and you are always in a state of enlightment or peace and suddenly some moments comes and you loose your awareness, get angry or jealous and all your journey gets imbalanced which indicates that the base of your entering into the gate of meditation was not firm and steady.
So now the time has come to tell you about the basic logics of meditations. These basic concepts of meditation can be given in the following steps.
1. Accepting your natural state of mind, body etc. as it is.
2. Just watching and witnessing your nature, your negativity, your behaviour.
3. Again watching , witnessing and observing your body activities, diseases, sickness etc.
4. Observing and witnessing your mind, feelings, emotions etc.
5. Now complete witness yourself as a whole.
6. Witnessing, observing your surroundings and existence one by one.
7. Now observe two three things in your existence at a time.
8. Now observe the existence as a whole.
9. Now witness yourself and the existence together.
10. Slowly spread and mobile your witnessing to the whole world.
In this way the one and only one concept of mediation is witnessing. And to attain the peak levels of witnessing we use the ladder of breathing and awareness. The more and more we get aware with the hidden secrets of breathing the easier and smoothly we move in our spiritual journey. And of course awareness is to be practiced every moment.
There is necessity of awareness along with breathing, without awareness breathing has no meaning and one should be well familiar every moment that with what particular fields he should be aware of and in what way.
And if once you have begin your journey of spirituality by the natural ways of meditation, the transformation inside you ought to happen, you will observe the changes, joy, happiness, peace ,love and above all silence will happen inside you, slowly it will be spreading to all the world through you.
In this world the major problem of an individual is a stressful life. We can say life full of pain and grief are the main causes for this. It is hidden in the depths of awareness levels of an individual which not only differ from each individual but also the problems keeps on fluctuating and changing from time to time.
As long as we have a two dimensional vision for everything which is happening in our life we ought to have sufferings and pains and if meditation does not give us a permanent remedy then it shows that the meditation which you are practicing is either incomplete, or mechanical or just some type of exercise for developing concentration.
The real meditation will open the third eye within you, this third eye is eye of witnessing, the moment you understand and get merged with the meditation in your daily life you get the three dimensional vision. This is the real witnessing, but this is not a fast process that you go to some master , he will tell you right now you have got all the power of witnessing, now you are enlightened or now you have the power of witnessing within you, he will look into your eyes, give you a smile and for a moment you start feeling yourself like what he says and later when you go home you pretend to do, act to do what your master said and then when some unexpected situations comes you show all your negativity.
Witnessing is first of all not a power at all, it is like a natural flow, the flow of positive energy and vibrations from each and every part of yourself, even you can say from the smallest part, the effect and results of witnessing is the ultimate peace or the ultimate silence, and the flavour, the fragnance of this silence is love and joy all over, blissfulness spreading all over.
This you cannot attain in one day , it is a practice, a continuous practice every second, every moment of your life , complete surrender and devotion, there will be obstacles of negative energy coming in your path of spirituality , on the path of your witnessing , you may become disturbed or imbalanced but the next moment again do get hold of the pillars of awareness, the very consciousness present in you and again move ahead. And slowly, slowly the time will come that you will reach so deep levels that the real stage of eternal peace, silence and blissfulness will come, which is the real essence of meditation in fact.
No one is the master, individually no one is disciple, we all are companions of a journey , there is no need to be surrendered to your master, we could surrender totally with our existence, with ourself. This will be the real surrender indeed, and whosoever is present in our existence is real and the rest is all illusion. If I say something to you it may give you some guideline to proceed in your journey of spiritual growth but you have to use your own observations and experience it. The basic logic and concepts are related with nature’s law, so they are the same for all but the techniques and methods to practice may differ from person to person. The individual should be aware enough to search his own path. Cramming some meditation techniques or getting certificates of different meditation courses may not work out as the time will come that again you will come back to the beginning point and what ever you learned will be in vain. Hence there is a need of meditation practice which is real, immaterial of master, religion, grade etc. and which is matching completely with the nature of an indivdual.
In meditation mind is not a principal, it is just inactive and merged with the awareness and presence of state of yourself. If mind is overruling your self then the only way to come out of it is your witnessing and awareness.. So this type of situation will keep on coming when you are practicing meditation, mind will interrupt in between,disturb yourself,but as your witnessing is strengthening moment by moment such incidents of disturbances will decrease slowly and slowly and a time will come that you will feel the real transformation within you.
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