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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 07:26 pm: | 
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ZAHEER:  THIS IS THE WAY THE BIBLE SEES IT.
"God is One. There is no Trinity. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. When Jesus was doing his ministry on earth, he was a human being. We love him, and believe in him, and affirm all of his miracles, bestowed upon him as a favour from his God. He called for the worship of God alone and for righteousness - as every prophet of God has done in the past. However, his pure monotheistic message was gradually changed by some of 'Christiendom' into a polytheistic one, by transforming Jesus,the Son of God, into a mythological God-incarnate figure to be worshipped alongside God All-Mighty. This distortion of the message of Jesus is the religion called Christiendom. |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 09:19 am: |
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ZAHEER: I BEG TO DIFFER. There is a difference between Christianity and Christendom. Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ which is found solely in the Bible. Christendom's are based on distortions of the Word of God due to the misunderstandings and lack of knowledge of men. Jesus never taught that he was God, the Trinity, immortality of the soul, hellfire, purgatory or going to heaven when you die, etc. All these afore mentioned are lies that infiltrated the Church and was prophecied to happen and some men have come to believe the lie. Not so with true Christianity
I AM RESPONDING TO THIS:
This distortion of the message of Jesus) is the religion called Christianity found at this site which said:http://thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/index.php?category=25
God is One. There is no Trinity. Jesus(P) is a prophet of God, and like all his fellow prophets, he is a human being. We love him, and believe in him, and affirm all of his miracles, bestowed upon him as a favour from his Lord. He called for the worship of God alone and for righteousness - as every prophet of God has done. However, his pure monotheistic message was gradually changed by some 'Christians' into a polytheistic one, by transforming Jesus(P), the servant of God, into a mythological God-incarnate figure to be worshipped alongside God All-Mighty. This distortion of the message of Jesus(P) is the religion called Christianity |
Scott Whitmore (Emhotep)
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| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 12:24 am: |
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Well it is very
good to see that some of the younger set of today
are now getting back to a life style which is not
mostly based upon themself, but what's a Scripture
way of living. I am glad that you young Ladies did
answer those questions, which I had posed. I have
really become tired of the " INCORRECT WAY " that
Christ is shown ESPECIALLY AS A NEWBORN CHILD * / 3 WISE MEN * / & DECEMEBER 25 * " ALL OF THESE ARE
WRONG ". Jesus was 2-3 yrs Old when then Magi who
came from the the East to visit him with the gifts
GOLD / INCENSE / & MERE. Of these the Family fled
the country & lived off them, now about the whole
25th of December thing. 300 A.D. in Rome Christian
& Roman belief systems were equal, the Ceasear at
that time told the Christians they can celebrate.
The BIRTH OF CHRIST ON DEC. 25, which just also is
a pagan Roman God's holiday. Now You Can See Why
I Take The TRUTH OF THE WORD TO HEART.
AND GABRIEL SHALL COME SOUND HIS HORN AND THEN THE
GATES OF HEAVEN SHALL OPEN UP:
Scott
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Ona Gwe, Waki
Wm Scott Whitmore
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Em~Hotep
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Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 11:39 pm: |
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The person who became known as Jesus Christ did not begin life here on earth.
He himself spoke of his prehuman heavenly life. (Joh 3:13; 6:38, 62; 8:23, 42, 58) John 1:1, 2
gives the heavenly name of the one who became Jesus, saying:
"In the beginning the Word [Gr., Lo´gos] was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god ["was divine,"AT; Mo; or "of divine being," Böhmer; Stage (both German)].
This one was in the beginning with God."
Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Ps 90:2; Re 15:3), ...
the Word's being with God from "the beginning" must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah's creative works.
This is confirmed by other texts identifying Jesus as "the firstborn of all creation,"
"the beginning of the creation by God." (Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14)
Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God's first creation, his firstborn Son. |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 11:33 pm: |
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Since it was God's holy spirit that made the birth possible,
Jesus owed his human life to his heavenly Father,
not to any man, such as his adoptive father Joseph. (Mt 2:13-15; Lu 3:23)
As Hebrews 10:5 states,
Jehovah God 'prepared a body for him,' and Jesus, from conception onward, was truly "undefiled, separated from the sinners."-Heb 7:26; compare Joh 8:46; 1Pe 2:21, 22.
The Messianic prophecy at Isaiah 52:14,
which speaks of "the disfigurement as respects his appearance," therefore must apply to Jesus the Messiah only in a figurative way.
(Compare vs 7 of the same chapter.)
Though he was perfect in physical form,
the message of truth and righteousness that Jesus Christ boldly proclaimed made him repulsive in the eyes of hypocritical opposers, ...
who claimed to see in him an agent of Beelzebub, a man possessed of a demon, a blasphemous fraud. (Mt 12:24; 27:39-43; Joh 8:48; 15:17-25)
In a similar way the message proclaimed by Jesus' disciples later caused them to be "a sweet odor" of life to receptive persons,
but an odor of death to those rejecting their message.-2Co 2:14-16. (insight volume 2, p.52) |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 07:28 pm: |
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Hello Scott and Alianne,
Simeon's prophecy is a grim reminder that this innocent child will become an object of hatred.
Even while he is still an infant, this hatred is already at work.
Matthew's account details how this is so.
A number of months have passed,
and Joseph, Mary, and Jesus are now living in a house in Bethlehem.
They receive an unexpected visit from a number of foreigners.
Despite what countless Nativity scenes depict,
Matthew does not specify how many of these men came,
nor does he call them "wise men,"
much less "three kings."
He uses the Greek word ma´goi, which means "astrologers."
This alone should give the reader a clue that something evil is at work here,
for astrology is an art that God's Word condemns and that faithful Jews scrupulously avoided.
-Deuteronomy 18:10-12; Isaiah 47:13, 14. |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 07:26 pm: |
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Zaheer:Thought you should know Jesus was named by the angel Gabriel before he was born so you were wrong in saying that his name was never mentionned in the Bible before his birth.You can find this info at LUKE 1: 26-38.About the end of 3 B.C.E., the angel Gabriel was sent by God to the virgin girl Mary in the town of Nazareth. “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you,” was the angel’s most unusual greeting. When he told her that she would conceive and give birth to a son called Jesus, Mary, who at the time was only engaged to Joseph, asked, “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son,” the angel explained. Thrilled with the prospect, yet with fitting modesty and humility, she replied: “Look! Jehovah’s slave girl! May it take place with me according to your declaration.”—Lu 1:26-38 |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 07:05 pm: |
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SCOTT:Jesus birth: September-October of the year 2 B.C.E
Jesus death :he was approximately 331/2 years old and died about 3:00 p.m. on Friday, the 14th day of the spring month of Nisan (March-April), 33 C.E.
Jesus was John the Baptist 2nd cousin
The wise men:How many of these astrologers “from eastern parts” brought “gold and frankincense and myrrh” to the child Jesus is not disclosed; there is no factual basis for the traditional notion that there were three. (Mt 2:1, 11)
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Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 06:52 pm: |
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His birth in relation to Herod's death.
While the date of Herod's death is a debated one,
there is considerable evidence pointing to 1 B.C.E.
A number of events intervened between the time of Jesus' birth and Herod's death.
These included Jesus' circumcision on the eighth day (Lu 2:21); his being brought to the temple in Jerusalem 40 days after birth
(Lu 2:22, 23; Le 12:1-4, 8); the journey of the astrologers "from eastern parts" to Bethlehem
(where Jesus was no longer in a manger but in a house-Mt 2:1-11; compare Lu 2:7, 15, 16); Joseph and Mary's flight to Egypt with the young child
(Mt 2:13-15); followed by Herod's realization that the astrologers had not followed his instructions,
and the subsequent slaughter of all boys in Bethlehem and its districts under the age of two years ...
(indicating that Jesus was not then a newborn infant). (Mt 2:16-18)
Jesus' birth taking place in the fall of 2 B.C.E. would allow for the time required by these events intervening between his birth and the death of Herod,
likely in 1 B.C.E.
There is, however, added reason for placing Jesus' birth in 2 B.C.E. |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 06:47 pm: |
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Hello Scott, so nice to hear from you.
In response to your questions.
Jesus evidently was born in the month of Ethanim (September-October) of the year 2 B.C.E.,
was baptized about the same time of the year in 29 C.E.,
and died about 3:00 p.m. on Friday,
the 14th day of the spring month of Nisan (March-April), 33 C.E. The basis for these dates is as follows:
Jesus was born approximately six months after the birth of his relative John (the Baptizer),
during the rule of Roman Emperor Caesar Augustus (31 B.C.E.-14 C.E.)
and the Syrian governorship of Quirinius
and toward the close of the reign of Herod the Great over Judea.
-Mt 2:1, 13, 20-22; Lu 1:24-31, 36; 2:1, 2, 7. |
Scott Whitmore (Emhotep)
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| | Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 11:36 pm: |
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BEFORE THE BOTH OF YOU I PLACE THESE QUESTIONS :UPON WHICH DAY WAS JESUS CHRIST BORN, HOW MANY WISE MEN CAME TO SEE HIM, WAS THERE ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HE AND ( JOHN THE BAPTIST ), FINALY HIS AGE AT TIME OF DEATH. Now I claim not to know all about either Muslim / Jehovah Witness. Let us open up and share with each other.
Scotty
Ona Gwe, Waki
Wm Scott Whitmore
aka
Em~Hotep
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zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 09:26 pm: |
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click to read more about christianity
http://thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/index.php?category=25 |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 03:21 pm: |
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Was Jesus Partial?
Since there is no partiality with Jehovah, could Jesus be partial? Well, consider this: Jesus once said: "I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 5:30) Perfect unity exists between Jehovah and his beloved Son, and Jesus does his Father's will in every respect. In fact, they are so alike in view and purpose that Jesus could say: "He that has seen me has seen the Father also." (John 14:9) For over 33 years, Jesus had actual experience living as a man on earth, and the Bible reveals how he treated fellow humans. w88 5\15 10-15; God Is Not Partial
"God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him."-ACTS 10:34, 35.
Jesus spent most of his earthly life with Jewish people. But one day he was approached by a Phoenician woman, a Gentile, who begged him to cure her daughter. In response Jesus said: "I was not sent forth to any but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Yet, the woman pleaded: "Lord, help me!" At that, he added: "It is not right to take the bread of the children and throw it to little dogs." To the Jews, dogs were unclean animals. So by alluding to Gentiles as "little dogs," was Jesus showing prejudice? No, for he had just mentioned his special commission from God to care for 'the lost sheep of Israel.' Moreover, by likening non-Jews to "little dogs," not wild dogs, Jesus softened the comparison. Of course, what he said tested the woman. Humbly, though determined to overcome this objection, she tactfully replied: "Yes, Lord; but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters." Impressed with the woman's faith, Jesus healed her daughter immediately.-Matthew 15:22-28. |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 03:09 pm: |
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Our Creator-Partial?
We can get some idea of our Creator's view of all mankind by stepping back in history. King Jehoshaphat, who ruled Judah from 936 to 911 B.C.E., made many improvements and arranged for the proper functioning of the judicial system based on divine law. He gave this fine counsel to the judges: "See what you are doing, because it is not for man that you judge but it is for Jehovah . . . Be careful and act, for with Jehovah our God there is no unrighteousness or partiality."-2 Chronicles 19:6, 7.
Hundreds of years earlier, the prophet Moses had told the tribes of Israel: "Jehovah your God . . . treats none with partiality." (Deuteronomy 10:17) And in his letter to the Romans, Paul admonished: "There will be trouble and distress for every human being who is an evil-doer, for the Jew first and for the Greek also . . . For God has no favourites."-Romans 2:9-11, The New English Bible.
But some may ask: 'What about the Israelites? Were they not God's chosen people? Was he not partial toward them? Did not Moses say to all Israel: "It is you Jehovah your God has chosen to become his people, a special property, out of all the peoples"?'-Deuteronomy 7:6.
No, God was not partial in using the Israelites for a special purpose. In selecting a people through whom to produce the Messiah, Jehovah chose the descendants of the faithful Hebrew patriarchs. But when the Jews rejected the Messiah, Jesus Christ, and had him put to death, they lost God's favor. Today, however, those of any race or nation who exercise faith in Jesus can enjoy marvelous blessings and have the prospect of everlasting life. (John 3:16; 17:3) Surely, this proves that there is no partiality on God's part. Moreover, Jehovah commanded the Israelites to "love the alien resident" and "not mistreat him," regardless of his race or nationality. (Deuteronomy 10:19; Leviticus 19:33, 34) Truly, then, our loving Father in heaven is not partial. reference_w88 5\15 10-15; God Is Not Partial....It is true that the Israelites enjoyed special privileges. But they also had a heavy responsibility. They were under obligation to keep Jehovah's laws, and those failing to obey them came under a curse. (Deuteronomy 27:26) In fact, the Israelites had to be punished repeatedly for disobeying God's Law. Hence, Jehovah did not treat them with favoritism. Rather, he used them to make prophetic patterns and to furnish warning examples. Happily, it was through Israel that God produced the Redeemer, Jesus Christ, for the blessing of all mankind.-Galatians 3:14; compare Genesis 22:15-18.
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Michael .P (Mik3y)
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 06:04 am: |
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The people you are trying to criticise are not fundamentalists To God...but to anything that benefits themselves. A fundamentalist for God would know that the first rule is to love the Lord our God the second rule is to love one another. Meaning this overrides any rule ever written! Why beat around the bush and soak your inteligence in a waste of sarcasm? Of coz one wouldnt have to cut off his hand...but it shows a great devotion to the extreme of not wanting to sin again. If you cut your right hand off after committing the sin would you really want to do it again? Thats just retarted! Why don't you discuss something worthwhile instead of picking up lil bits here and there so you can bag out the cliche fundamentalists in a variety of wonderful sarcastic ways. Twain what in the world has he done for you or anyone ? What does he have to do with fundamentalists christians, masterbation and eunuchs?
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Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:46 am: |
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Hello Carljohn,
In answer to Matthew 5: 30; Paul indicated, mature people "have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong." Here we come to the crux of the matter. The expression "have their perceptive powers trained" literally means "the sense organs having been trained (like gymnast)." (Kingdom Interlinear Translation) A seasoned gymnast on a chosen apparatus, such as rings or a balance beam, can perform split-second maneuvers that seem to defy gravity or other natural laws. He has full control of his body members at all times, and he senses almost instinctively what moves he must make so that he can complete his routine successfully. All of this is the result of rigorous training and incessant practice.
We too must be trained like a gymnast, spiritually speaking, if we want to be sure that the decisions and choices we make are always sound. We must at all times have full control of our senses and body members. (Matthew 5:29, 30; Colossians 3:5-10) For example, do you discipline your eyes not to look at immoral material or your ears not to listen to degrading music or speech? It is true that such unwholesome material is all around us. However, it is still up to us whether we let it take root in our heart and mind. We can imitate the psalmist who said: "I shall not set in front of my eyes any good-for-nothing thing. The doing of those who fall away I have hated; it does not cling to me. . . . As for anyone speaking falsehoods, he will not be firmly established in front of my eyes."-Psalm 101:3, 7.
Article-Reference w01 8\1 7-12.
Bear in mind that it is "through use" that we can have our perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong. In other words, every time we are faced with a decision, we should learn to use our mental powers to discern what Bible principles are involved and how they can be applied. Develop the habit of doing research in Bible publications provided through "the faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45) We can, of course, seek the help of mature Christians. Nonetheless, the personal effort we put forth to study God's Word, coupled with prayer to Jehovah for his guidance and spirit, will pay rich dividends in the long run.-Ephesians 3:14-19.
As we progressively train our perceptive powers, the objective is that "we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error." (Ephesians 4:14) Rather, based on our knowledge and understanding of what is acceptable to God, we can make wise decisions, big and small, that are beneficial to us, upbuilding to our fellow worshipers, and above all pleasing to our heavenly Father. (Proverbs 27:11) What a blessing and protection that is in these critical times! |
CEEJ (Carljohn)
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| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 07:04 am: |
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It seems Jimbo should read some more Twain, and not out of Bartlett's this time.
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Bread Crumbs (Bread_crumbs)
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| | Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 05:01 am: |
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and a few more -
"An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war."
"Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
"Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out...and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel. ..And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man"--with his mouth."
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Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 11:41 pm: |
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Yes definitely-- he had a great talent for insulting people and making them like it. I still crack up rereading his "Letters From Heaven".
Jimbo
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Scott Whitmore (Emhotep)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 10:18 pm: |
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I have found when reading of Twain,he had wonderful way to insult someone with a song and dance form. Which they would be laughing and or smiling the whole time.}
Ona Gwe, Waki
Wm Scott Whitmore
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Bread Crumbs (Bread_crumbs)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 08:27 pm: |
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more twain
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
"We despise all reverences and all the objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our own list of sacred things. And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us."
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CEEJ (Carljohn)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 05:04 am: |
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Mark Twain also said that faith is believing what you know ain't so. |
Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 03:46 pm: |
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My favorite psychologist, Mark Twain, once said, "all idiots that can talk, talk to themselves a lot because no one else cares to hear the nonsense".
Jimbo
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CEEJ (Carljohn)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 03:07 pm: |
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and this from the writings of Atheism:
The behavior of Atheists is subject to the same rules of sociology, psychology, and neurophysiology that govern the behavior of all members of our species, religionists included. Moreover, despite protestations to the contrary, we may assert as a general rule that when religionists practice ethical behavior, it isn't really due to their fear of hell-fire and damnation, nor is it due to their hopes of heaven. Ethical behavior - regardless of who the practitioner may be - results always from the same causes and is regulated by the same forces, and has nothing to do with the presence or absence of religious belief.
I wonder if doing the right thing just because you want to get into heaven really just makes you a selfish opportunist and not really a good person at all. |
CEEJ (Carljohn)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 01:34 pm: |
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I thought it would be interesting to take excerpts from the bible, the quran, and the tao ti ching, or any other holy book you want, and then comment on it.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee , cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not[that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Well! What are we to make of this??? On an episode of Black Adder the question is asked that if we cut off our right hand and then our left hand offends, how are we to cut that hand off?
I've often wondered if fundamentalist think this is to be taken literally and why they aren't all eunuchs as a result.
Other questions arise. If we cut off our hand, does that mean we don't have that hand when we are in heaven? You would think God would restore it to us. And where would the hand go then? To hell? Is hell populated by offensive body parts?
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