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Theresa S. (Tess)
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Username: Tess
| | Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2005 - 08:48 pm: | 
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This is an issue that we will all never agree on. Some believe it is murder. Some believe it is not. And this issue is one that we have seen cause many friendships to end by the discussion of such at this site. On this issue, at the Starlite, we all must agree to disagree. |
claire (Chia)
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Username: Chia
| | Posted on Saturday, February 05, 2005 - 09:06 pm: |
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Woudl you walk up to someone in the street and shoot them? Probably no? Abortion is the KILLING of life. it's wrong. End of story.
Hope springs eternal..in the eyes, minds, voices and hearts of those who know poetry.....
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Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2005 - 03:25 pm: |
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You happen to believe a fetus can feel no pain? makes sense so long as noone tells you and shoves a video of it in your face its fine. I suggest you get a copy of the live abortion they recroded and watch the baby try and get away as they kill it. Suicide aint legal, murder aint legal, i agree in freedom of choice but when it comes to life? No way in hell should they even be given a chance to consider killing an unborn child. A common problem and im not saying in all cases but it is very common people acting all suprised when they find there goin to be a mother/father and there reply is but we used protection? Like they were never told contraception is never 100% Im assuming they were told they just didn't listen.
Are we going to kill people who are disabled too now and faggots and racist people...anything thats inconvenient with your philosophy if they cant feel the pain its okay.. plenty of drugs out there to stop people from feeling the pain lets kill the jews while we're at it too sound familar.... A friendly shower for all, Mind the GAS!
Michael william James
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CEEJ (Carljohn)
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Username: Carljohn
| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2005 - 01:01 pm: |
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I just don't believe the government has the right to legislate choice away from women. That's the bottom line. I also happen to believe that a fetus has no ability to feel pain and is not sentient. I don't how I received a scar on my leg from the age of two. There is nothing approaching cruelty in the practice of abortion. You're pulling the plug on a non-sentient being which can then be used to make a nice stew.
Certified genius until I go crazy.
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Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2005 - 02:09 am: |
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I know plenty of people who have had it hard harder then most people could bear even in my own family. I'd never say what i did without another side to the story i've heard heaps i've seen heaps. I agree noone should be forced to abort there babies with coathangers and noone should be made to abort their babies either. From what i've seen on a video of a baby been aborted its just as gruesome for the baby as a coathanger not far off it anyhow. We give ourselves the dignity of chosing life or death what right do we have at all to chose that for another, let them decide if they cant handle life they will end there life not have someone end it before they even get a chance!
Michael william James
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Jim Armstrong (Njaeok)
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 11:14 pm: |
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I have no logical opinions about abortion. I am a male. I have never been pregnant nor am I ever likely to be.
I have a grandaughter. She is twenty this year. She came to me four years ago and told me that she was pregnant. She said I know you are going to hate me for it but I have decided to have and abortion. I have talked it over with mom and dad she continued and they don't agree but I have the right to decide for myself.
I don't know what else to do. She explained. I can't impose a baby on mom and dad and I am not able to raise and support a baby. It will ruin my life.
And she begin to weep. I did too.
I pulled her up on my lap and held her like I used to do when she was little and had hurt herself of was heartbroken because some friend had betrayed her or something.
I won't hate you I reassured her. I will do what I have always done and support you and help you through your mistakes and celebrate your success. You are right. You took on the sexual rights and responsibilities of an adult and now you have the right and the responsibility to decide as an adult how you will deal with the results.
Her sobs quieted after a while and she got a tissue and wiped the tears from her face. Then she laughed and wiped the tears from my face. (She had never seen me shed tears)
My daughter called me a few days later and told me that the grandaughter had backed out of the abortion at the last minute and decided to have the baby. There was no one there with me so I was free to shed tears of happiness without embarassment.
I have another GreatGrandson a little over three years old. I often contemplate the horrorable tragedy it would be were he not alive and feel immense gratitude that my grandaughter made the decision she made.
Jimbo
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Melinda Blount (Lostbabygirl)
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Username: Lostbabygirl
| | Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 07:19 pm: |
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Okay, Mikey...need to calm down. I have been pregnant 3 times...I have 3 children...no abortions there...nor would I ever. My own personal belief is that it is a child from the minute it was concieved, and continues to be...but~~ Have you ever watched a child go hungry? Heard their cries? Have you ever watched people, who should of never been allowed to have children, beat a child to death? Seen children go through foster home to foster home till they committed suicide? It happens daily, and would happen even more if we forced every one to have that unwanted child. Should that child of been born to feel years of abuse until it was murdered? Should those children be forced to starve to death? Yes, a life is a life...but when that life is destroyed by parents that shouldn't of ever been allowed to parents... what good is that? We can not always control what people do to these children they didn't want...we can not stop the abuse, stop the hunger, the suicides...if we could, we would. Nor can we stop that frightened teenage girl who made a mistake. If there were no legalized abortion~ she would resort to a coat hanger, or a dirty clinic....her life doesn't mean anything? I wish that life wasn't so ugly, or people so stupid not to see the beauty and happiness that comes with being a parent. That we all had good jobs and a means to take care of children made...but it's a utopia we shall never see. I don't like the idea of abortion...I love children and I think that it's wrong...but I also think it is wrong for that 13 year old girl to be forced to use that coat hanger...or a raped woman to be forced to have a child she would hate. Yes, there is adoption...but only so many are adopted...so what is your answer to all this? Do you have a better alternative to abortion? I don't think there is one, or it would be used instead of abortion...
The secret of happiness is to make others believe they are the cause of it ~ Al Batt
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Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 06:34 pm: |
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Hey im not in anyway Screaming out You or anyone else is going to hell... you'll find that out for yourself in time. But what has it come to when we have people telling us that our children are like pet dogs when noone can look after them or afford to keep them we put them down?! And we are been assured that there is no other alternative? For the baby or for the mother and father? Can a child not be born in poverty is it better to kill them and have them not live at all. Its so strange mothers telling people that there is no alternative and others sticking up for them saying yeah there was no alternative... Why because an alternative was an incovenience for You? We cherish our lives so much but we'd never be here if our parents did'nt treasure our life or at least some caring person cherish our life more then our own mother or father? You want an alternative to abortion? You have many problem is What your looking for is an ugly poor hard alternative? Its called sacrafice giving your child all you can even if you do without putting the babies life before your own. Saying that you don't want your baby to be poor or having a single parent growing up in a ghetto or being adopted out to another family is not a good enough reason to kill them! Dang it doesn't even have to go into religion, your becomming modern day hitlers deciding who can or cannot live just who the ..... do you think you are. Pardon my language and tone but how can people honestly be so stupid, you look at yourself living now You wouldnt be here if someone didnt cherish your own damm life ugh you get me so pissed off!
Michael william James
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CEEJ (Carljohn)
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Username: Carljohn
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 04:57 am: |
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Carl Veraja
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Theresa S. (Tess)
Starlite Administrator
Username: Tess
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 07:19 pm: |
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Ceej, which one is your Dad? I have it narrowed down to two... |
CEEJ (Carljohn)
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Username: Carljohn
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 07:59 am: |
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My Dad in the local news...
Opponents, supporters of Roe v. Wade decision rally at Planned Parenthood clinic
By TRACY X. MIGUEL, tmiguel@naplesnews.com
January 23, 2005
Since the Supreme Court in 1973 affirmed a woman's constitutional right to end a pregnancy, there has been deep division on the issue.
Saturday morning at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Collier County, pro-choice supporters rallied on the 32nd anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision of 1973 that legalized abortion.
More than 100 men and women, including employees of Planned Parenthood, gathered in the clinic's parking lot to show support for the decision and raise awareness of women's right to choose.
But by noon, people holding signs that read "Keep Your Laws Off My Body" and "The Taliban Hated Women's Rights Too" and "Abortion Kills Children" and "Stop Abortion" collided.
About 100 opponents organized by the Naples Pro-Life Council and Ave Maria University students began toting signs and verbal confrontations took place on the sidewalk in front of Planned Parenthood and the corner of Creech and Goodlette-Frank roads.
Matthew Gear, 25, who held a rosary in his hands, told pro-choice supporter Carl Veraja, 72, of Fort Myers, that he wanted to tear his poster that read "Catholic Republican Pro-choice" because he couldn't conceive a Catholic supporting the "right to murder."
The confrontation eased when both men said they would pray for each other.
Veraja, who has six children, recalled the time he took two women to Puerto Rico to get "safe" abortions and when he drove a 15-year-old girl to Warwick, N.Y. for a similar purpose.
President and CEO Char Wendel of Planned Parenthood said the anniversary wasn't a celebration of abortion, but a call for a woman's right of basic health care at two levels: federal and local.
Federally, women's rights may be lost if they aren't supported by the Supreme Court, and, locally, women who arrive at the center for health care are confronted by Ave Maria students, Wendel said.
Students visit twice a week, some praying and chatting, perhaps because Ave Maria creator Tom Monaghan participated in Operation Rescue, said Wendel.
"The best way to decrease abortions is not to intimate them, but access women with education and health care," said Wendel.
At 11 a.m., six speakers had addressed the crowd of supporters with several issues such as the actions taken by President Bush's administration during the past four years.
One of the guest speakers, Paul Kardon, a retired doctor, was practicing before and after the Roe decision.
He dealt with self-induced abortions, for which, he said, women used coat hangers and Lysol.
"The concept of going back to pre-Roe v. Wade is inconceivable," he said.
Naples Pro-Life Council vice president Carolyn Kollegger, 44, said she "chose life" after she had three abortions in her 20s because she realized that what she had done was participate in a "population control agenda."
She is convinced that the right choice is to be a mother.
Kollegger said she would be happy if Roe v. Wade is overturned, but what is necessary is a turnaround in education and values.
Ave Maria University students Angelia Hoffmann, 23, Khristen Wilson, 23, and Gear, walked on the sidewalk, praying the rosary.
They agreed that the law should protect an unborn child because the law protects human beings.
Christine Citrano, 43, wore a pink pro-choice T-shirt and was at the event to support the cause.
"I think that the people that are pro-life, including the current administration, venture around that it is a moral issue and they didn't stop to think that it's a moral struggle to worry about the future of young women," said Citrano. "I worry that rights be taken away from them." She was at the rally with her 16-year-old daughter, Cait Citrano.
"It should be a choice. That's why people came to America, for religious freedom, social freedom ... freedom," said Cait, of Naples.
"If there is going to be a vote on women's rights it should be the women voting only. Men should be excluded," said Archie Goodwin, 82. He was at the rally with his wife, Arlyne, also a pro-choice supporter.
The local Planned Parenthood doesn't provide abortion services, nor do any clinics in Collier County.
Participants lined up to pledge-a-picket and received free health care information. Funds raised will benefit Planned Parenthood in Naples.
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Bread Crumbs (Bread_crumbs)
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Username: Bread_crumbs
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 07:35 am: |
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Abortion Rights Group Urges Supporters to Seek Chastity Belts
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) - An abortion rights group is urging supporters to ask lawmakers to mail them a chastity belt in anticipation of the Legislature's annual designation of Chastity Awareness Week.
The form letter distributed Tuesday by NARAL Pro-Choice America said the organization wants lawmakers to support comprehensive sex education, equitable coverage for birth control and emergency contraception for rape victims.
"Until you give us real choices, please rush me the only thing that the Pennsylvania State Legislature seems to want to provide to protect my reproductive health: a chastity belt. My address appears below," the letter reads.
NARAL spokesman David Seldin said his group is "trying to be more creative in the way in which we communicate and reach out, particularly to younger people."
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Melinda Blount (Lostbabygirl)
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Username: Lostbabygirl
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 07:25 am: |
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Well, CJ. as a female, I don't think there is an alternative solution to abortion, mankind has proven that they are not responsible anough to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and any type of birth control is not going to rid the world of unwanted children. So, to do away with abortion would be morally wrong...it would just lead to more women on goverment assistance, children in foster homes, more abandoned children, children going hungry, abused, neglected...ect..For those people that think that abortion is wrong, that it is murder, great~ don't have one...go to your church and think about how wonderful you are, but don't impose your beliefs on others...if you think someone is going to hell for having an abortion, that is that person's choice and so be it. And those christians who condemn others for it are being hypocritical...it's your God's decision whether that person did wrong or not, not yours...saying all that, no, on a personal level I would never have an abortion...but I am also responsible anough to know that if I don't want a child, I need to do something to prevent it...but to take that choice away from women is forcing them to take on a huge resposibity that a man doesn't have to have...and since we can't force people into taking care of their children, what right do we have to force them to have children?
The secret of happiness is to make others believe they are the cause of it ~ Al Batt
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CEEJ (Carljohn)
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Username: Carljohn
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 06:46 am: |
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Before we all go half-cocked and decide to rid America of abortion let me hear what exactly you are planning on substituting it with. Abstinence? And how is that going to work exactly? It never worked before. And what about other forms of birth control? Are they all morally reprehensible? Also, is enjoying sex morally reprehensible? Where are we going to draw the line? And why, exactly, is it morally reprehensible to terminate the development of a fetus that hasn't gotten an iota of intellect yet. You don't remember you're alive until you're three or four, generally. If you died at the age of two you wouldn't even know you had lived unless there is an afterlife for two year old who haven't even gotten the chance to prove themselves on a moral level because they don't know there is one. It's an absurd argument. Abortions have given women more freedom and this works on the practical level where nothing else does. If we are going to, as a society, force birth on women are we going to pay for it when the father refuses or evades responsibility? Do you want to pay for the forty-million unborn humans that abortion put on ice? You people don't even want to pay for medicare. What worked for society once, doesn't work when conditions change. Take away all forms of birth control and insist on so-called morality and it will lead to over-population and a society no worth living in, where women are sluts if they like sex and don't have eighteen babies after they are married. What the heck are we really talking about here? Does anyone think of where this sort of thing will lead?
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