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Author Message   ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne) Starlite Member Username: Alianne Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 04:16 pm:    SAT: A healthy fear of God is respect for his Authority as our Creator and Sovereign. I do not tremble at my God for He is a God of love and no man that respects His Laws has to tremble. That is what is implied by fear of God... a healthy respect   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 09:47 am:    For it is wise to fear God..because he is our eternal judge no man on this earth claims that right. God never takes away our free will though he honours our choice whatever it is.. if any of us go to hell it is our choice. We've been given plenty of warning etc I don't know about anyone else but i respect those who respect me and i couldn't think of anything more noble then a God who respects our free will enough to honour our own choice whatever that may be. Michael william James   Satanic Inc (Satanic_inc) Starlite Member Username: Satanic_inc Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 01:08 pm:    yet you FEAR god... hmmm... I'm shackled to this alter sacrificed to their God   ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne) Starlite Member Username: Alianne Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 10:16 pm:    YES, SAT MEN HAVE RULED BY THE MACHEVELLIAN WAY LIKE SADAM HUSSEIN. HE GOT AWY WITH IT FOR SOME TIME BUT IT NEVER BROUGHT PEACE AND SECURITY TO HIS PEOPLE. AND NOW WHERE IS HE???RULE BY FEAR NEVER BRINGS PEACE. GOD'S RULE WILL BRING PEACE AND SECURITY AND AN END TO ALL EVIL INCLUDING DEATH AND SATAN AND HIS RULE WILL BE BY LOVE   Satanic Inc (Satanic_inc) Starlite Member Username: Satanic_inc Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 07:17 pm:    sometimes when you kill for peace.. and enough people get the message.. or more than enough people die.. there is infinate peace b ecause people fear the people with power and fear death. I'm shackled to this alter sacrificed to their God   ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne) Starlite Member Username: Alianne Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 12:28 pm:    yes, Michael: Jesus taught us to be peaceable and loving and he did give us the greatest commandment "the Kingly Law" of loving God with our whole heart, mind, and soul and loving our neighbor as ourselves   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 06:09 am:    While that is true the same can be said about the muslims etc We cannot fully understand the circumstances and such of the time..but we can see the killing of the innocent as wrong. Michael william James   ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne) Starlite Member Username: Alianne Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 02:56 pm:    WHAT YOU SAY IS SO TRUE MICHAEL: "Those who kill for peace are asking for anything but peace!" THIS IS ALSO GOD'S To such ones God declares: “Even though you make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed your very hands have become filled.”—Isaiah 1:15. Jesus said: “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them.” False prophets would produce “worthless fruit.” (Matthew 7:15-17) An evidence of the clergy’s bad fruitage is their enormous bloodguilt. For centuries they have supported crusades, inquisitions, and wars that have shed the blood of millions. They have prayed for and blessed both sides in wars in which members of their own religions have killed one another. In contrast, the apostle Paul was able to state: “I am clean from the blood of all men.” (Acts 20:26) The clergy are not. To such ones God declares: “Even though you make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed your very hands have become filled.”—Isaiah 1:15.   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 07:11 pm:    I do believe also that we struggle to live in that natural state. Those who kill for peace are asking for anything but peace! As its said "Live by the sword die by the sword" Regardless of your direction or argument you die by what you live by. I strongly admire those of all walks of life who manage to find their natural state and stay true despite how many or how often they are tempted to the likes of this world.Power to those who Fight for peace With Peace. Michael william James   Tjaden (Tjaden) Starlite Member Username: Tjaden Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 04:02 pm:    I wholeheartedly agree with you Mike. We are but vessels meant to inspire our bretheren to seek HIS power for themselves, yes? Our cups will overflow when we humble ourselves before our chosen Lord,(I choose Jesus, by the by. Love that guy!), and humble ourselves before the vastness that our lack of knowledge presents us. In that vastness will we seek information, and a pathway to the completion of our Love and peace. Isn't it strange how we seem to seek peace? Like, we're willing to kill for it. I think peace is the natural state of humanity. I think we live outside of that natural state and find ourselves tired and beaten. We need to return to our natural state. Much Love, Tj   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 01:00 am:    A peaceful approach to get peace is easily abused and people tend to give up easily and resort to not so peaceful methods to get peace. Doesn't make much sense to me at all... Except if you are wanting to become a saviour for this world.. and if your religious i know at least if your catholic such a thing is impossible! We're not put here to save the world, but tell people of the saviour. Bottom line i guess is if you want to succed in this world as some form of saviour your wasting your time! Well thats my bag of kittens anyway. Michael william James   Tjaden (Tjaden) Starlite Member Username: Tjaden Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 12:29 pm:    I was afraid we might spin off on weed, no pun intended, in this conversation. The reason I brought weed up in the first place is because its a convenient example of how humans define their reality; crack is made from "natural" stuff too, but for some reason, many folks consider weed to be one of a very few "natural" drugs out there, like shrooms. (grown in cow poo, by the by. yuck-yuck premise, but nifty effects on the ole brain pan. Only shows up as food poisioning in a drug test too, I'm told.) what do you guys think of, "Perhaps the true nature of humanity lies somewhere in this bizarre dedication to our own desctructive impulses." ? I think that was something I wanted to say more about, but didn't have time...what if I was to say that humanity's natural condition is to seek out its mathematically balanced place in the universe, then try to conquer that place with flawed logic and weak physical force? The inherent weakness of being a finite creation in an infinite universe both frightens and intimidates us to the point of violence against each other; lasting peace will be achieved only long enough for insurgency to find a foot hold and turn that peace into fear of losing peace, and eventually all out warfare. (Am I watching too much CNN? I've been told that any ammount is too much, lol, but I like seeing yellow journalism at its finest. It's soooooooooo entertaining. Ultimate in (lack of) reality televsion.) The nature of humanity is to fight; we humans want "conquer" peace. A fools errand. Peace is a wounded sparrow, I'm told. You hold it gently enough to protect it, but not so hard that you crush the life out of it. "Flexiblity is the key to a happy life" ---Bruce Lee   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:33 pm:    Might be a bit off topic but i too am annoyed with similar thoughts on ye old mary jane. I smoke it coz its natural...what a bunch of crap...so are alot of poisons out there i don't see you taking them because you might die. However the idea of cancer, going skitzo, and sperm deformage etc etc don't shake them whatsoever? :S It amazes me how alot of people go on about the value in looking after the planet, perhaps being vegan, and taking responsability for our own actions bla bla anti fast food chains and capitalism and fur is murder. But then smoke weed, with the defence that its natural. I don't believe smoking it eating it or anything like that has any value though i do believe Hemp could be used for many purposes which would actually benefit us. The screwed up thing is the very people who list all the good things about hemp etc...are the ones who want to smoke and encourage the use of the drug[not just for medical purposes either]. Surely anyone who looks at these peoples points can see okay that makes sense but it looks like you've done all this homework and crap just so you can legalise pot and get your cheap fix off it. I would think thats a fair enough reason to right off most if not all merit in their argument. Michael william James   Jim Armstrong (Njaeok) Starlite Member Username: Njaeok Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 06:12 pm:    I'm too much in agreement to do much rebuking TJ. It's just that the devil is in the details. Im my younger days before legality entered the picture, MaryJane was just a weed that grew wild most everywhere. We mixed it with Jimpson weed, smoked the mixture and got a toxic buzz with visions and hallucinations. Then we would vomit and go home. We thought that was really special until one of the group had to be hospitalized. Scared the crap out of us when we learned how toxic is Jimpson Weed. My father ordered a mail order book about toxic plants and made me practically memorize every word in it. A lot of it I didn't understand at eleven years old. The one big thing I did understand is that the plants make these toxic chemicals to poison animals that would eat them. That was enough for me. Jimbo   Tjaden (Tjaden) Starlite Member Username: Tjaden Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 03:50 pm:    (You too scott...lol)   Tjaden (Tjaden) Starlite Member Username: Tjaden Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 03:49 pm:    Such is my problem with drugs, Jimbo. Especially mary-jane. I have no problem with the DRUG marajuana; I would rather have a hash bar full of mellow fellows, (and chickie-poohs), than a bar full of drunk idiots, ready to go drive off and kill someone in the night. The problem that I have is that many folks claim weed is ok because it's "natural". Well, where do you think the ingredients for crack come from? Do they just materialize out of thin air? I feel that our creations, our homes cars etc... are just as natural as a bird's nest, but we don't care for our vechicles/homes/etc the way a bird cares for its nest. A bird creates its nest in the most convienient, safest place, in accordance with, (I believe), a mathematical balance that is inherently acknowledged by all matter on our planet. It seems like we humans do what we can to acknowledge this balance, and then do our very best/worst to resist it. Perhaps the true nature of humanity lies somewhere in this bizarre dedication to our own desctructive impulses. Real quick, a bird's nest doesn't pollute the air like a car, so I think maybe birds have something there, lol...this is the base of my argument, I guess. I feel that humans are responsible for nature, because we ARE nature. I think it is very dangerous, and irresponsible, to consider ourselves outside of nature. In fact, I think defining humanity as seperate from nature is the reason no one seems to show any personal responsiblity for their actions in general. If humanity doesn't admit responsiblity on a basic level, like we are part of nature and responsible for its health, then how are we supposed to claim responsiblity for anything else with any crediblity? Please, someone rebuke me and make my generalized statements either more defined, or just plain silly, ok? Much Love, Tj   Scott Whitmore (Emhotep) Starlite Member Username: Emhotep Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 09:42 pm:    I do concur with your statement that we " HUMANS " are the one who have to take onwership of anything we do are selfs (Tj), but my thoughts were headed more towards the fact " WHO THE HECK AM I TO TELL YOU TO PUT A JOINT DOWN WHILE I HAVE A WATERPIPE or CRACK PIPE IN MY HAND " type event. The classic " POT CALL THE KETTLE BLACK ". You seem to be very intelligent person,if posible I would like to the chance of writting back & forth with other topics I believe we both are brother spirits in. Em~Hotep De Bel Ahaian <--Ancient Egyptian Saying zanthor2691@aol.com} Ona Gwe, Waki Wm Scott Whitmore aka Em~Hotep   Jim Armstrong (Njaeok) Starlite Member Username: Njaeok Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 04:56 pm:    It has occured to me that there is some fundamental contridictions in the term "natural condition of humans". If there is in fact a "natural condition of humans" then the notion of "artifical" needs some redefining. Generally "artifical" is considered to be "unnatural". But if humans have a "nature" which would be necessary for them to have a "natural condition", then the products of human behavior such as autos, planes houses, bridges and so on would be no less natural then a birds nest. Hmmmmm------- Jimbo   Tjaden (Tjaden) Starlite Member Username: Tjaden Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 12:24 pm:    I too, believe we humans have an inherent responsibility to our own sense of intellect. I think humans use our brains, and size thereof, to justify all kinds of horrible atrocities that we commit against nature. (I won't go into specifics, as I'm sure you all can think up atrocities of your own...) As intelligent beings, that is, beings that are self aware and not able to claim, "we didn't really know any better",(which is kind of funny, when you think about it, 'cause any animal that can "claim" anything must be self aware, yes?), we have a responsiblity to ourselves, and not much else. If we took responsibility for our own actions, cleaned up after ourselves, respected each other, took care of our planet, golden harps and violin peace etc., I am convinced that we would all live by a higher standard of life, reflexively. Who are we to say? We are ourselves. "Who are we to say what meaning is?", is a lame excuse and lazy. Sounds like you're trying to cover your lack of effort in discussion with a generalized statement, in my opinion. It's not blasphemous to consider the purpose of our lives; what else is there, (subjectively), my friend? Tj   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 05:34 am:    I do believe we are the Kings/queens of the jungle so to speak Under God of Course. But i don't think that in some ignorant egotistic way... we're here to look after everything but not to abuse it. Michael william James   Scott Whitmore (Emhotep) Starlite Member Username: Emhotep Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 05:20 pm:    I also watched that story Jimbo, it goes to prove that we humans are not the only "INTELLIGENT, SELF AWARE, EMOTIONAL" animals on this planet. These traits do so up in the wild as well. So just who are any of us intelligent humans to TRULY SAY JUST WHAT THE REAL MEANING OF HUMANITY IS OR WHO'S GOD(S)AND OR GODESS(ES) ARE THE RIGHT ONE. MAY MY GOD'S GRACE ALWAYS EMBRACE AND KEEP THEE. zanthor2691@aol.com Write 2 me if u wish } Ona Gwe, Waki Wm Scott Whitmore aka Em~Hotep   Jim Armstrong (Njaeok) Starlite Member Username: Njaeok Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 06:58 am:    When Chimps Attack In the first hour, Shelly Lynn Williams PhD, a primate researcher, discussed the recent chimpanzee attack in California, in which a man was left critically injured. She thinks the two chimps involved in the attack became jealous when the man and his wife brought a birthday cake to their former pet, a chimp named Moe. Citing their high intelligence, Williams suggested the chimps knew how to get out of their locked enclosure and had kept that secret from their human handlers. Williams, who has been attacked herself and had more than 48 reconstructive surgeries, said chimps are six to seven times stronger than humans and can weigh up to 240 pounds (in captivity). "They are not meant to be pets," she warned. Williams also talked about the dolphins that stranded themselves in the Florida Keys on Wednesday Jimbo   Scott Whitmore (Emhotep) Starlite Member Username: Emhotep Posted on Friday, March 04, 2005 - 09:30 pm:    But of course we for sure are the smartest living beings on earth why BECAUSE WE KILL & DISTROY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT INCLUDES OTHERS OF OUR OWN KIND. Do any of you out there remember " Jane Goodall " and what work she does. Chimps use tools in the wild. NUFF SAID} Ona Gwe, Waki Wm Scott Whitmore aka Em~Hotep   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2005 - 07:42 am:    I sure hope its not. I found the Milky thing amusing, don't stop lol. I didn't think it would need to be explained that we always have choice in situations a good and a bad[yin and the yen] yano. Perhaps what might seperate us from Pack animals considerably would be our conscience. Rather than act alone on instinct we bring morals/values and the like into the decision making process. I think if you want to show how people are quite similar to each other you obviously have to generalise there is no way around that, its impossible to know everyone.Probably the best way to find out is ask people what they want and what they are getting out of life? I think underneath it all we are very alike, and we have this natural obsession to make ourselves believe we are not. Secrecy, jealousy, lack of trust, they all point to us wanting to seperate ourselves. Im having difficulty trying to explain exactly what i've seen to make me believe such things. I don't believe we should all act the same but i do however believe we should all be mindful of the idea that we are all alike in more ways than we know. Its always kinda strange how we all keep making the same mistakes isnt it.....and when your told about the mistake by someone else you can't relate because its not you you have this perception your always different...and than you find yourself in the exact same situation. Hindsight has proved to be of not much value to anyone but the holder as noone can relate to it till they experience it for themselves. I believe if we were a bit more mindful that we are much like others than we wouldnt always make the same mistakes time and time again. I wouldn't mind being an Ant. Michael william James   Tjaden (Tjaden) Starlite Member Username: Tjaden Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 03:47 pm:    I agree with many of your points...oh god, real quick, you're MIKEY huh? Not MILKY? lol. sorry dude. Totally thought it was MILKY...I guess my main problem is that I feel you are making rash generalizations without providing a whole lot of evidence to back yourself up. I think I don't trust such generalizations because I'm more ready to believe that such generalizations are the product of dissatisfation with life, rather than a carefully reasoned opinion. (of course, I could very easily be the pot calling the kettle black, neh? lol) Would you care to provide us some objective examples of this "pack behavior" you speak of Mike? Or perhaps, specifically, how we all act the same? Like, not just "well, we just do." What do you mean? Where are we all the same? And perhaps even, do you think we should or shouldn't all act the same? I mean, ants seem to lead pretty uninspired lives, but then, I've never been an ant, so I wouldn't know the potential joy of absolute, unquestioned, subservience. Whatcha think yo? (I mean, you know, if you care to do so. This aint an ENG300 class after all. ;) Tj   Michael .P (Mik3y) Starlite Member Username: Mik3y Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 03:18 pm:    I agree we do often act like pack animals and follow the crowd, but the difference between us and pack animals is we actually have an alternative! We know the better way to go about things and so we are always given a choice in which way to act. I don't agree that we are all different; perhaps in some tiny ways. The thing that makes us so alike is we all want to know what everyone else is doing we don't want to be behind them. Why? Because we know the kind of choices that come across to us in certain situations and know from our own experience we don't always chose the best one...and so think why would they. The mere fact that we know we are responsible for our actions and know the difference between right and wrong and then chose and act on it takes us far from any pack animal comparison. The biggest contradiction i find in this world is we don't want to trust anybody but want everyone to trust ourselves. So if everyones untrust worthy doesn't that make everyone trust worthy to some level? Michael william James   Tjaden (Tjaden) Starlite Member Username: Tjaden Posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2005 - 12:44 pm:    Thanks Scott. I appreciate your prayers. I could use em! lol. When I consider pack animals, I think of burros, donkeys and bulls. You're talking about pack behavior, yes? Like wolves or hyenas or something? I agree with you about what happens when someone points at another person, as well. Look at the media garbage out today. One only has to accuse another person of a crime, it seems, and that person is guilty until proven innocent. Buncha crud, as far as I'm concerned. Unconstitutional, even. (Or Bill of Rights? Where is that famous quote, "innocent until proven guilty" taken from? Hamarabi, Hanarabi Hanawhatever's code or something?) I agree that in a pack, humans are freakin nuts. But I don't think we humans tend towards pack behavior. I think generally, in the the U.S. we're taught to function as individuals, but are taught to "be different like everyone else". The contradictions are laughable, yet not easily dismissed. Whatcha think, sir (s)? Tj

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