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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:42 pm: | 
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ZAHEER:IN REFERENCE TO THIS POSTING WHICH I OVERLOOKED:" And what did the prophecy demand? '..Which he shall speak in My Name'; and in whose name does Muhammed speak? In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. The Prophecy is being fulfilled in Muhammed to the letter; every chapter of the Holy Quran except the 9th begin with the formula:YES, I UNDERSTAND THE FORMULA BUT WHOSE NAME WAS THE PROPHET GOING TO SPEAK IN??? THIS WAS SOME 2 THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE "ALLAH" AND THE MUSLIM RELIGION WAS EVER FORMED. AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME GOD WAS SPEAKING TO HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE THE JEWS WHO KNEW GODS NAME AS YAHWEH. "GOD'S NAME WAS WRITTEN SEVEN THOUSAND TIMES IN THE BIBLE. THE NAME OF THE GOD OF THE BIBLE IS A FOUR LETTER WORD THAT USES THE FOUR CONSONENTS "YHWH" WHICH THEY BELEIVE WAS PRONOUNCED YAHWEH. THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WAS NEVER CALLED "ALLAH". THIS IS A WELL KNOWN FACT. I MEAN NO DISRESPECT BUT IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOU ARE DELUDING YOURSELF. IT IS LIKE YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT WHITE IS BLACK AND THAT I SHOULD BELIEVE YOU DESPITE THE FACT THAT I KNOW YOU ARE WRONG. |
zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:20 am: |
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WEll Allianne
produce the exact research where it negates the findings of Rev scoffield and Ahmed Deedat along with the findings of Rev Scoffield telling me exactly where Rev Scoffield and others went wrong in coming to the same conclusion that the name of God is Allah
http://www.jamaat.net/name/name3.html
a scanned page of the bible is at
http://www.jamaat.net/name/name4.html |
zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:17 am: |
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GOOD DAY ALIANNE
"you have stated "THE NEW AMERICAN DESK ENCYCLOPIDIA (THIRD EDITION) ON PAGE 650 SAYS :" JEHOVAH THE PERSONAL NAME FOR GOD. THE SACRED NAME YHWH PROBABLY PRONOUNCED YAHWEH WAS NOT USED BY THE JEWS AFTER ABOUT 300 B.C. FOR FEAR OF BLASPHEMY.HENCE IN READING THE HEBREW BIBLE, ADONAI (LORD) WAS SUBSTITUTED"
From the above it is clear to all that the sacred name was written as " YHWH"----
isnt this the THE 'TETRAGRAMMATON' which is in the bible which you always preach---
. 'There is a 'tetragrammaton' in the Bible from which the word Jehovah is derived.'--- What is a tetragrammaton?!' The Jehovah's Witness replies, 'Y H W H!' 'No!' ' what does the word tetragrammaton mean. 'Tetra,' in Greek means FOUR, and 'grammaton,' means LETTERS. It simply means 'a four letter word.' " Y H W H "
Allianne-- the J has been added by the western Christians which is not present in the ARABIC LANGAUGE-which is the language of the Quran.
The Westerners have developed a fondness for the letter 'J' They add J's where there are no Jays 'this is the 'popular' pronunciation from the 16th century.'it is an admitted fact that prior to the sixteenth century, the word 'Jehovah,' was unheard of. Whenever the origin of this word appeared in its true Hebrew form in Jewish Scriptures (read from right to left as in Arabic) Yet, Huh, Wav, Huh; or Y.H.W.H. these four letters were preceded by a substitute word 'Adonai,' to warn the reader that the following word was not to be articulated. The Jews took meticulous care in repeating this exercise in their 'Book of God' six thousand, eight hundred and twenty-three times - interpolating the words 'Adonai' or 'Elohim.' They sincerely believed that this awesome name of God was never to be pronounced. This prohibition was no ordinary affair: it called for a penalty of death on one who dared to utter it.
If Jehovah is the name of God Almighty, and if the 27 Books of the New Testament were inspired by Him, then it is an anomaly of the highest order, that He (Jehovah) signally failed to have His Own Name recorded in 'His Word' (N.T.) the Christian addition to the Jewish Bible. The Christians claim that they have in their possession over twenty-four thousand 'originals' of their Holy Writ in the Greek language, and yet not a single parchment has 'Jehovah' written in it. Curiously this 'name of God' (?) has been sacrilegiously replaced by the Greek words ky'ri.os and the.os', which mean 'Lord' and 'God.' Yet, miracle of miracles - Alleluya! - no one has been able to eliminate the word 'ALLAH' from the New Testament of the Christians.
The exact sound of the four letters YHWH is known neither to the Jews nor to the Gentiles, . The letters Y H W H occur in the Hebrew (Jewish) Scriptures 6 823 times, boasts the Jehovah's Witness, and it occurs in combination with the word 'Elohim;' 156 times in the booklet called Genesis alone. This combination YHWH/ELOHIM has been consistently translated in the English Bible as 'Lord God,' 'Lord God,' Lord God,' ad infinitum.
COMMON ORIGIN
What is YHWH; and what is ELOHIM? Since the Jews did not articulate the word YHWH for centuries, and since even the Chief Rabbis would not allow the ineffable to be heard, they have forfeited the right to claim dogmatically how the word is to be sounded. We have to seek the aid of the Arab to revive Hebrew, a language which had once died out. In every linguistic difficulty recourse has to be made to Arabic, a sister language, which has remained alive and viable. Racially and linguistically, the Arabs and the Jews have a common origin, going back to Father Abraham.1
Note the startling resemblance between the languages, very often the same sounding words carry identical meaning in both.
HEBREW- ARABIC- ENGLISH
Elah - - Ilah -- God
Ikhud - - Ahud -- One
Yaum --- Yaum--- Day
Shaloam-- Salaam-- Peace
Yahuwa Ya Huwa oh he
YHWH or Yehova or Yahuwa all mean the very same thing. 'Ya' is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Hebrew and Arabic, meaning Oh! And 'Huwa' or 'Hu' means He, again in both Hebrew and Arabic. Together they mean Oh He! So instead of YHWH ELOHIM, we now have Oh He! ELOHIM.
The suffix 'IM' of the word 'ELOHIM' is a plural of respect in Hebrew.
(Remember that in Arabic and Hebrew there are two types of plurals. One of numbers and the other of honour as in Royal proclamations. Since the plural of honour is uncommon in the language of the European, he has confused these plurals to connote a plurality in the 'godhead,' hence his justification for his Doctrine of the Holy Trinity - the Father, Son and Holy Ghost).
Hence ELOHIM = ELOH + IM. Now I want you to perform an exercise. Do you see the words: YA-HUWA ELOH-IM? Place your left hand index finger on the first two letters 'YA' meaning oh! and the other index finger on the 'IM' a plural of respect. What you now have remaining in Huwa Eloh or Huwa Elah. El in Hebrew means god, and Elah or Eloh also stands for the same name - god. Therefore, 'Huwa el Elah' or HUWA 'L LAH, which is identical to the Quranic expression - Huwal lah hu (meaning: HE IS ALLAH) of the verse QUL HUWAL LAH HU AHUD
SAY:
HE IS ALLAH
HE IS ONE
Holy Qur'an 112:1
The above exercise proves that El, Elah and Elohim are not three distinctly different words. They all represent the single Arabic word Allah. .
. More than 6000 times the formula 'YAHUWA ELAH,' or ya'HUWA ALAH,' or 'HUWALLAH,' (He is Allah!) occur in the Hebrew manuscripts of the Jewish Bible, commonly called the 'Old Testament,' by the Christians. If this fact is openly acknowledged by the learned men of Christianity and broadcasted as Rev. Scofield had done then the day for Muslims and Christians to worship God together would not be far distant
ALLELUYA!
what is Alleluya! The last syllable 'YA' is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Arabic and Hebrew meaning 'OH!' In other words YA = OH, (the vocative); and YA = (!), a note of exclamation, or an exclamatory particle, or as is more commonly known an exclamation mark.
The Semite, both Arab and Jew, begins with the exclamatory particle or exclamation mark. The Westerner, in his language ends with the exclamatory particle or exclamation mark, eg. Stop! Go! Fire! Bang! what is Alleluya? in the last book of the New Testament, Chapter 19; we are informed there that John the disciple of Jesus, saw a vision, in which he heard the angels in heaven singing, Alleluya, Alleluya, what is Alleluya!
Let us repeat the above (words of praise) as an Arab or a Jew: ALLE-LU-YA will be YA-ALLE-LU because, as explained above, YA is always at the beginning in both Arabic and Hebrew.
YA ALLE LU would be YA ALLA HU: Meaning, 'OH ALLAH!' (You are the Only Being Who deserves worship and Praise) 'OH ALLAH!' (You are the Only Being Who deserves worship and Praise).
Unbiased Christians will not fail to recognise Allah as none other than his - El, Eli, Alle, Elah, Alah, Allah. Call upon Him by any name, for His are the Most Beautiful names Astonishing as it may sound,
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This is not my wishful thinking. This from the English Bible, edited by Rev. C. I. Scofield,D.D., with his Bible Commentary· This Doctor of Divinity is well respected among the Bible Scholars of the Christian world. He is backed in his 'NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION' of this translation by Rev. Henry G. Weston, D.D., LL.D., President Crozer Theological jeminary.
Rev. W. G. Moorehead, D.D., President Xenia (U.I,) Theological Seminary.
Rev. lames M. Gray, D.D., President Moody Bible Institute.
Rev. Elmore Harris, D.D., President Toronto Bible Institute.
Rev. William !. Erdman, D.D., Author 'The Gospel of John,' etc.
Rev. Arthur T. Pierson, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher, etc.
Rev. William L. Pettingill, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher.
Arno C. Gaebelein, Author 'Harmoney of Prophetic Word,' etc.
. They have been unanimous in supporting Rev. Scofield in his 'New and Improved' commentary.
Please note that in their comment No. 1 below left, they concur that - 'Elohim, (sometimes El or Elah meaning God)' and alternatively spelled 'Alah' (line three, third word). . How far were they from the Arabic word spelled - ALLAH - in English,
<http://www.jamaat.net/name/name3.html>
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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 06:59 am: |
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GOOD DAY ZAHEER: I HAVE BEEN READING THE QURAN AND WONDER WHAT THE TRANSLATION FOR THE NAMES JESUS AND JOSEPH AND ISAIAH ARE. CAN YOU HELP ME OUT. THANKS |
zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 01:57 am: |
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Well Alianne you have denied the research of Mr Ahmed Deedat, you have even denied the research of Rev Scoffield and all who supported him in arriving at the same conclusion that the name of God is indeed Allah you have stated "THE NEW AMERICAN DESK ENCYCLOPIDIA (THIRD EDITION) ON PAGE 650 SAYS :" JEHOVAH THE PERSONAL NAME FOR GOD. THE SACRED NAME YHWH PROBABLY PRONOUNCED YAHWEH WAS NOT USED BY THE JEWS AFTER ABOUT 300 B.C. FOR FEAR OF BLASPHEMY.HENCE IN READING THE HEBREW BIBLE, ADONAI (LORD) WAS SUBSTITUTED"
From the above it is clear to all that the sacred name was written as " YHWH"---- and was not pronounced for 300 years---
do i hear"JEHOVAH" does anybody else---NO, no matter how you juggle the four letter word "YHWH" you would never get JEHOVAH, just where do you get the letter J from.---all that is stated above is that the sacred name is "YHWH" a fact which has been attested by Mr Ahmed Dedat in his research.
before you deny something you have to back up your claims.
produce the exact research where it negates the findings of Rev scoffield and Ahmed Deedat along with the findings of Rev Scoffield telling me exactly where Rev Scoffield and others went wrong in coming to the same conclusion that the name of God is Allah
http://www.jamaat.net/name/name3.html
a scanned page of the bible is at
http://www.jamaat.net/name/name4.html |
zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:22 pm: |
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Well jasmine produce the exact research where it negates the findings of Rev scoffield and Ahmed Deedat along with the findings of Rev Scoffield telling me exactly where Rev Scoffield and others went wrong in coming to the same conclusion that the name of God is Allah |
zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:19 pm: |
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Hi jasmine -- What was the language of the bible-- English, latin-- Where did you get the word GOD from in the first place-- yOU disagree with the research of Ahmed Deedat and Rev Scoffield and other doctors of Divinity that the true name of God is Allah but the first rule of diagreement is that you substantiate your claim -- you have to produce a new research which negates the findings of these scholars which you have failed to do -- simply disagreeing with what has been proved by research carries no weight--
if i say the sun rises in the west-- who can stop me from saying so but unless i back up my views with concrete evidence my words would be just words i guess |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:15 pm: |
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ZAHEER: the NEW AMERICAN DESK ENCYCLOPIDIA- third edition- negates the findings of Rev Scoffield and Ahmed Deedat |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:10 pm: |
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ZAHEER:I am familiar with the teachings of Mr Ahmed Dedat and the Doctor Scofield and must tell you that they teach according to "CHRISTENDOM"(false) and not according to the teachings of CHRISTIANITY(true) OR JESUS' teachings found in the Bible
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTING TO ME:"ALLIANAE the research conducted by Mr Ahmed Dedat suprisingly coincides with the research of Mr Ahmed Dedat |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:01 pm: |
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ZAHEER: DID YOU SEE THIS????...The title "God" is neither personal nor distinctive (one can even make a god of his belly; Php 3:19).
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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 07:53 pm: |
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Miss Snow:.....BRAVO...... THE NEW AMERICAN DESK ENCYCLOPIDIA (THIRD EDITION) ON PAGE 650 SAYS :" JEHOVAH THE PERSONAL NAME FOR GOD. THE SACRED NAME YHWH PROBABLY PRONOUNCED YAHWEH WAS NOT USED BY THE JEWS AFTER ABOUT 300 B.C. FOR FEAR OF
BLASPHEMY.HENCE IN READING THE HEBREW BIBLE, ADONAI (LORD) WAS SUBSTITUTED. |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 07:37 pm: |
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Does God Have a Name?
MANY people might say: 'Does God's name matter?'
There is only one Supreme Being.
For example, a clergyman in Canada once said: "The name that people give to God is also unimportant."
This cleric held that it would make no difference if one used "Allah," as do Moslems, or "Manitou," as do some North American Indians.
Many of the clergy have the same opinion.
But let us consider: Why do we use names?
What is in a name?
Basically, names are used for identification. |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 07:33 pm: |
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Dear Zaheer,
Could God's name be "Allah"? No.
As a good dictionary will show you,
"Allah" is a shortened form of the Arabic term meaning "the god."
Obviously, this is not a name.
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zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 07:14 pm: |
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Hi Jasmine
the research conducted by Mr Ahmed Dedat suprisingly coincides with the research of Rev Scoffield and other prominent doctors of Divinity arriving at the same conclusion that the true name of GOD IS ALLAH and not Jeohavah. Despite all your posts you havent be able to produce any research which negates the findings of these scholars-- that Jeohvah is indeed Allah
to read the whole article clickhttp://www.jamaat.net/name/name3.html |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 06:57 pm: |
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Hello Zaheer this is what the Word of Jehovah says, from his Divine Scriptures:
"God" and "Father" not distinctive.
The title "God" is neither personal nor distinctive (one can even make a god of his belly; Php 3:19).
In the Hebrew Scriptures the same word (´Elo?him´) is applied to Jehovah, the true God, and also to false gods, such as the Philistine god Dagon (Jg 16:23, 24; 1Sa 5:7)
and the Assyrian god Nisroch. (2Ki 19:37)
For a Hebrew to tell a Philistine or an Assyrian that he worshiped "God [´Elo?him´]" would obviously not have sufficed to identify the Person to whom his worship went."
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zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 06:50 pm: |
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to find the scanned page of the bible where Rev Scoffield and others conclude their findings is located at http://www.jamaat.net/name/name4.html |
zaheer - uddin (Zaheer)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 01:21 pm: |
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ALLIANAE the research conducted by Mr Ahmed Dedat suprisingly coincides with the research of Rev Scoffield and other prominent doctors of Divinity arriving at the same conclusion that the true name of GOD IS ALLAH and not Jeohavah. to read the whole article clickhttp://www.jamaat.net/name/name3.html |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 01:13 pm: |
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ZAHEER: YOUR POSTING SAYS THAT TRANSLATED ELOHIM MEANS GOD AND ALLAH. YOU ARE 100 % CORREST |
Jasmine Andrea Snow (Snowprincess)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 02:51 am: |
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Hello Scott, Zaheer, Jim and Alianne, and anyone who would like to join in.
What should we all talk about next?
Who wants to pick a subject?
The only rule is that the answers of each of our questions must come from Scripture but the topics for discussion- ‘the skies the limit’.
This way we are learning healthful knowledge from God’s point of view well spending quality time together.
Just a thought, let me know what you all think with each a suggestion.
I think it would be great fun.
I love the knowledge of God as I find it simply exhilarating.
Let’s play Bible trivia???
The moral of the game is have fun and prosper from what we will all learn by helping one another in the research of the answers we will find inside the ancient book from God.
It's not a contest but a brain exercise. "FOOD for THOUGHT"
Sincerely,
Jasmine Snow
because “God is a Spirit” we cannot see him with our eyes. (John 4:24)
Yet, is there not much that is invisible although we accept its existence? We enjoy friendship but do not see what we and our friends really feel.
We think, but has anyone ever seen thoughts?
We are alive, but can we see the life-force?
Everything on earth that is still unspoiled by man bespeaks order, beauty and efficiency.
So there must be someone who has carefully considered and designed things,
someone with great feeling for form and beauty—yes, someone who knows what will make us happy.
A writer of ancient times made the striking observation that the invisible qualities of God are perceived by the things He has made.
Does not a beautiful painting or carving reveal much about the artist responsible for it?
Well, the same is true with God.
It is possible to "see" him in creation and in everything he does for us. -Romans 1:20.
God can help us to be happy, even though we see only some of his might, wisdom and love in his creative works.
In contrast with many worldly rulers, he does not coldly keep a distance from those over whom he rules.
Out of love Jehovah God liberally provides his creatures with instruction that can help them to live happy lives.
In fact,
the Bible is filled with God’s “reminders” that promote happiness.—Psalm 25:8-10. w83 3\1 3-4
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Scott Whitmore (Emhotep)
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| | Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 11:30 pm: |
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Alianne: I
was hurt, but not by your words only the form that
you used them in. There is no need for you to say
SORRY, only to think next time how someone else is
effected by statements of that sort. Anyway I am
way to OLD to have a fit & cry over something like
that, for I have heard and seen much worse during
my time on earth. I will honor your responce and
add thy name to my prayers to the Holy Father. My
E-mail is always open for talk to any & all.
We should live in such a way that in our last hours we will not regret having loved too little.
Scott Whitmore
zanthor2691@aol.com
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Ona Gwe, Waki
Wm Scott Whitmore
aka
Em~Hotep
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