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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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Username: Alianne
| | Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 01:08 pm: | 
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MICHAEL IN YOUR LAST TWO POSTINGS , YOU ASKED ME 3 QUESTIONS AND I WILL TRY TO ANSWER AS CLEARLY AS POSSIBLE. THERE IS MUCH MORE EVIDENCE THAT I COULD GIVE YOU BUT IT WOULD MAKE THE POSTING TO LONG. JUST KEEP ASKING AND IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE TO RESPOND TO YOU. 
1) JESUS IF HE WERE GOD WOULD NOT NEED TO BE PRAYING TO HIMSELF OR PART OF HIMSELF.( THERE IS NO MYSTERY IN GOD AND HIS SON JUST AS THERE IS NO MYSTERY IN YOU AND YOUR DAD)
2) AS TO THE CREATION IT PERTAINS TO THE CREATION TOWARDS THINGS NEEDED FOR THE PLANET EARTH TO BE INHABITABLE BY MAN AND BEAST, NOT THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE. THE PLANET EARTH AND IT'S SUN AND MOON WERE ALREADY EXISTENT (THERE ARE SCRIPTURES TO BACK THIS UP).
THE "US" IN GENESIS HELPS US TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOD WAS NOT ALONE. WHY? BECAUSE BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE EARTH OR UNIVERSE, JESUS WAS CREATED ( HE WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD( BEGOTTEN IS A CLUE TO UNDERSTANDING THAT JESUS WAS CREATED BY GOD HIMSELF, THE FIRST CREATION THAT GOD CREATED ALONE). AFTER THAT, JESUS ALONG SIDE GOD THE FATHER, HELPED CREATE THE UNIVERSE, THE ANGELS, AND THEN THE CREATIVE WORKS TOWARDS THE EARTH WHICH WAS MENTIONED IN GENESIS. JESUS WAS CALLED IN PROVERBS " THE MASTER WORKER OF GOD". THE NEW TESTAMENT HAS AMPLE SCRIPTURES THAT TELL YOU OF HIS PREHUMAN EXISTENCE AND THAT HE WAS USED BY GOD TO CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS. JESUS CREATED THE ANGELS ALSO BEFORE THE CREATIVE WORKS TOWARDS THE EARTH; ANIMALS AND MAN. (JESUS HAD A BEGINNING BUT GOD DOES NOT).
THEN THERE WERE OTHERS THERE ALSO ALONG SIDE GOD AND JESUS.. IF NOT, HOW ELSE COULD THE ANGELS CRY OUT IN JOY AT THE CREATIVE WORK AND WHO WAS GOD SPEAKING TO WHEN HE SAID "LET US" , IF NOT JESUS.
UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND THE FIRST FEW PAGES OF THE BIBLE AS THEY TRULY ARE, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND THE REST OF IT. YOU MUST KNOW THE FUNDEMENTALS FIRST, MON AMI
3) AGAIN AS I MENTIONED TO YOU BEFORE MANY PEOPLE HAVE A VERY POOR UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE, IF ANY, AND THAT IS WHY GOD HAS MANY WITNESSES AND PROPHETS OUT THERE TODAY TRYING TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT THE BIBLE TRULY MEANS. THEY THEMSELVES AND MYSELF INCLUDED HAD TO LEARN AT ONE TIME BY OTHERS.
TO BE A PROPHET DOES NOT NECESARILY MEAN THAT ONE NEEDS "TO PREDICT IN ADVANCE OF THE FUTURE", BUT TO TALK ABOUT GOD. |
Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 01:28 am: |
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Who do you expect God to pray for but Himself. Who is Greater than God? no one but Himself. Who could possibly be with God before Creation? Nobody but Himself God the Almighty Father in Heaven.
Michael william James
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Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 10:22 pm: |
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These are great quotes from the Bible.. just poor assumptions that you've concluded from them. Its not our place to assume such things. In any case Jesus said he was there from the very beginning. This means before creation, hence not been apart of Gods creation. But i don't know why if you want to discuss such things with me you don't pay any attention to what i write :S I mean i was asking about Jesus's claim that there were no more prophets after Him.
Michael william James
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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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Username: Alianne
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 08:56 am: |
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the Athanasian creed: “In the Trinity none is afore or after the other; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal.”
IF THIS IS SO THEN WHY??? Scriptural evidence disproving this teaching of the Trinity. To hold that Jehovah God the Father and Christ Jesus his Son are coeternal is to fly in the face of reason. The very fact that the Son received his life from the Father proves that he could not be coeternal with him. According to the Scriptures, Jehovah God, the great Father and fountain of life, has always existed. “From everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” (Ps. 36:9; 90:2) But the Son received his life from his Father: “I live because of the Father.” (John 1:18; 6:57, NW) Clearly Jesus owed his existence to God; but God owes his existence to no one else. Jesus Christ “is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation”. God is not the image of anyone, but he created creatures in his image. (Gen. 1:26) God was not born, but his creatures were; they had a beginning, but not he. The first of his creatures was his only-begotten Son, “the beginning of the creation by God.”—Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14, NW.
And not only in this respect but also in every other is Jehovah God the Father superior to his Son Christ Jesus. Jesus himself assures us, “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28, NW) Nor can it be argued that God was superior to Jesus only because of Jesus’ then being a human, for Paul makes clear that Christ Jesus in his prehuman form was not equal to his Father. At Philippians 2:1-11 (NW) he counsels Christians not to be motivated by egotism but to have lowliness of mind even as Christ Jesus had, who, although existing in God’s form before coming to earth, was not ambitious to become equal with his Father.
Throughout the Scriptures Jehovah God is repeatedly termed the Almighty God. “I appeared unto Abraham, . . . by the name of God Almighty.” (Gen 17:1; Ex. 6:3; Ezek. 10:5) But his Son is merely termed a mighty one. “Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O mighty one.” “And his name shall be called . . . Mighty God.” (Ps. 45:3; Isa. 9:6, AS) Jesus appreciated this distinction. In replying to the religious leaders of his day, who accused him of blasphemy, he said: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: You are gods’? If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?” (John 10:34-36, NW) Yes, Jesus did not claim to be The God, but only God’s Son.
That Jesus is inferior to his Father is also apparent from Paul’s words at Hebrews 7:7 (NW): “Now without any dispute, the less is blessed by the greater.” Did Jesus bless God? No, but it was ‘God who anointed Jesus with the oil of gladness more so than his partners’. (Heb. 1:8, 9, NW) Jesus was also inferior to his Father in the matter of knowledge, he himself stating regarding the time of a certain future event: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36, NW) Jesus confessed: “The Father taught me,” and Paul tells that Jesus did not please himself but learned obedience by the things he suffered. But, “Who has come to know Jehovah’s mind, or who has become his counselor?” Yes, “Who has first given to him, so that it must be repaid to him?”—John 8:27-29, 58; Rom. 11:34, 35; 15:1-3; Heb. 5:8, NW.
Jehovah God commanded the angels to bow to the Son, but he himself did not bow down to his Son. (Heb. 1:6) But Jesus recognized that he must bow down and worship his Father. (Matt. 4:8-10) After his resurrection both the apostles and Jesus himself, although Jesus then ‘was the exact representation of his Father’s very being’, still recognized that Jehovah God was the “God” of Jesus Christ.—2 Cor. 1:3; Eph. 1:3, 17; Heb. 1:3; Rev. 1:6; 3:12, NW.
Jehovah God, being the God of Jesus Christ, was therefore also his Head: “The head of every man is the Christ; . . . in turn, the head of the Christ is God.” Time and again, therefore, we read that Jesus is God’s servant whom God sent forth for the accomplishing of God’s will.—Isa. 42:1-4; Matt. 12:17-21; John 8:42; 17:18, 25; 1 Cor. 11:3, NW.
Jesus prayed to his God and was heard. “In the days of his flesh Christ offered up supplications and also petitions to the one who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.” Can we imagine Jehovah God seeking help from his Son?—Matt. 26:39; 27:46; John 11:41, 42; Heb. 5:7, NW. |
Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 08:03 am: |
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Uh huh so what about the word of Jesus when he makes mention to there been no more prophets?
Michael william James
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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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Username: Alianne
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 07:51 am: |
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HI! MICHAEL: I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BUT I HAVE PASTED WHAT I TOLD SHYBRUSH:
"In the long run , what truly matters is what God thinks and wants people to know from His Word the Bible and the teachings of His Son Christ Jesus." THEY ARE BUT A FEW WORDS BUT THE MEANING BEHIND THEM IS A BIBLE FULL. I HAVE MUCH MORE TO SHARE ON THE SUBJECT |
ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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Username: Alianne
| | Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 07:46 am: |
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HI! SAT: I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN YOU. YOU ASK GREAT QUESTIONS BUT THEY ARE A TALL ORDER. TALK TO YOU LATER |
Michael .P (Mik3y)
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Username: Mik3y
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:29 pm: |
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Thankyou Alianne for finally taking this topic where it needs to be! Thankyou also skybrush
Michael william James
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ALIANNE OUSSAMEUR (Alianne)
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Username: Alianne
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 03:55 pm: |
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HI! SAT: HE THINKS WE NEED TO GET TO KNOW HIM BETTER AND IF WE DID THIS PLANET WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN. |
Satanic Inc (Satanic_inc)
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Username: Satanic_inc
| | Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 03:25 pm: |
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alianne... what does god think?
I'm shackled to this alter
sacrificed to their God
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