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Egantry47
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Username: Egantry47
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 02:23 pm: | 
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/30/keith-olbermann-delivers-one-hell-of-a- commentary-on-rumsfeld/
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Aimstraight
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Username: Aimstraight
| | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 07:58 pm: |
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Descent is one thing hate is another- his president, no wonder no one watches MSNBC. |
Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 01:52 pm: |
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The only "Fog of Fear" is the Liberals sailing across reality,searching for a clue.Wondering what kind of platform they can run on besides Katrina and Iraq.Someday they will be back in office and then we can set back and say:"I Told You So".....as we all set on our prayer rugs!!....a never ending situation;and thats the life of politics. |
Morning_song
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Username: Morning_song
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 02:25 pm: |
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You're right about one thing, Sir Bubs, the pendulum always swings both ways. It's a good thing we have each other, to keep each other in check.
Keep smiling.
Your favorite bleeding heart Liberal....
Jeri (Morning Song)
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Egantry47
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Username: Egantry47
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 03:54 pm: |
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Cute pic, Jeri!
Here's something for the conservatives to ponder:
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Egantry47
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Username: Egantry47
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 04:17 pm: |
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"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 10:03 pm: |
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Yup Ergie,,that's the Liberal platform...hit 'em with cartoons...and when the terrorists strike again,we can hit 'em with a George Bush cartoon.That will surely scare them back to Muslim-land,or Florida.Smile Jeri,its just a big game and there are no winners.....loved those red and blue diapers... Go Red's!! lol |
Egantry47
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Username: Egantry47
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 04:17 am: |
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"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 09:13 am: |
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I rest my case... |
Egantry47
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Username: Egantry47
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 09:29 am: |
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hehe
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 01:17 pm: |
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a sensitive war,indeed....hehe |
Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 01:18 pm: |
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Amen!! |
Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 01:21 pm: |
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Hillary Carter Rodhambone Klinton
Notice her Carter features? |
Egantry47
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Username: Egantry47
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2006 - 11:17 am: |
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The Blues Brothers, one of my all time favorite films. Love the oil rigs in that pic, Bubby, doesn't that just say it all! Not really a Hillary fan, but if you enjoy looking at busts of older women, be my guest and post 'til you burst.
'Have You No Sense of Decency, Sir?'
by Keith Olbermann
It is to our deep national shame—and ultimately it will be to the President’s deep personal regret—that he has followed his Secretary of Defense down the path of trying to tie those loyal Americans who disagree with his policies—or even question their effectiveness or execution—to the Nazis of the past, and the al Qaeda of the present.
Today, in the same subtle terms in which Mr. Bush and his colleagues muddied the clear line separating Iraq and 9/11 -- without ever actually saying so—the President quoted a purported Osama Bin Laden letter that spoke of launching, “a media campaign to create a wedge between the American people and their government.”
Make no mistake here—the intent of that is to get us to confuse the psychotic scheming of an international terrorist, with that familiar bogeyman of the right, the “media.”
The President and the Vice President and others have often attacked freedom of speech, and freedom of dissent, and freedom of the press.
Now, Mr. Bush has signaled that his unparalleled and unprincipled attack on reporting has a new and venomous side angle:
The attempt to link, by the simple expediency of one word—“media”—the honest, patriotic, and indeed vital questions and questioning from American reporters, with the evil of Al-Qaeda propaganda.
That linkage is more than just indefensible. It is un-American.
Mr. Bush and his colleagues have led us before to such waters.
We will not drink again.
And the President’s re-writing and sanitizing of history, so it fits the expediencies of domestic politics, is just as false, and just as scurrilous.
“In the 1920’s a failed Austrian painter published a book in which he explained his intention to build an Aryan super-state in Germany and take revenge on Europe and eradicate the Jews,” President Bush said today, “the world ignored Hitler’s words, and paid a terrible price.”
Whatever the true nature of al Qaeda and other international terrorist threats, to ceaselessly compare them to the Nazi State of Germany serves only to embolden them.
More over, Mr. Bush, you are accomplishing in part what Osama Bin Laden and others seek—a fearful American populace, easily manipulated, and willing to throw away any measure of restraint, any loyalty to our own ideals and freedoms, for the comforting illusion of safety.
It thus becomes necessary to remind the President that his administration’s recent Nazi “kick” is an awful and cynical thing.
And it becomes necessary to reach back into our history, for yet another quote, from yet another time and to ask it of Mr. Bush:
“Have you no sense of decency, sir?”
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Egantry47
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 07:23 am: |
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Senate to issue Iraq intelligence report By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 27 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - A Senate analysis of intelligence-gathering activities leading up to the invasion of Iraq is certain to rekindle an election-year debate on the justification of going to war.
The top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, said the report will confirm that "the Bush administration's case for war in Iraq was fundamentally misleading."
The report to be released by the committee Friday focuses on two much-studied issues: the influence of the anti-Saddam exile group Iraqi National Congress in shaping U.S. intelligence estimates, and a comparison of prewar estimates and postwar findings about Iraq's weapons programs and links to terrorism.
But its release comes at a time when President Bush is speaking out on the importance of victory in Iraq to the war on terrorism, and Democrats are trying to recapture control of Congress by emphasizing the failings of the president's Iraq policy.
Republicans on the committee declined comment on the report Thursday, but they were expected to play down the role of the Iraqi National Congress and its leader, Ahmed Chalabi, in shaping U.S. policy toward Saddam Hussein and the decision to go to war in March 2003.
The intelligence committee issued a portion of its analysis, labeled Phase I, on prewar intelligence shortcomings in July 2004. But concluding work on Phase II of the study has been more problematic, because of partisan divisions over how senior policymakers used intelligence in arguing for the need to drive Saddam from power.
Last November, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada forced the Senate into a rare closed-door session to discuss the delay in coming out with the new data.
The 400-page report to be released Friday covers only two of the five topics outlined under Phase II. Much of the information — on the intelligence supplied by the INC and Chalabi and the overestimation of Saddam's WMD threat — has been documented in numerous studies.
But Rockefeller said the report would show how the "administration pursued a deceptive strategy, abusing intelligence reporting that the intelligence community had already warned was uncorroborated, unreliable and in some critical circumstances fabricated."
Rockefeller said a third segment, on the prewar intelligence assessment of postwar Iraq, could be issued later this month. But there was no set date for issuing the last two parts of Phase II, including a look at the politically divisive issue of whether policymakers manipulated intelligence reports to set the stage for war.
"We continue our work on the remaining part of our Phase II inquiry," said Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan.
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:08 am: |
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Someone should investigate Rockefeller and the FDA and MDA,They would uncover a lot more interesting things than IRAQ.Just another election year ploy,provided by your local DNC.
_________________________________________________"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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You Forgot to Add The DNC Jimbo |
Aimstraight
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:37 am: |
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When you see all that rhetorical smoke billowing up from the Democrats, well ladies and gentleman, I'd follow the example of their nominee; don't inhale.
RONALD REAGAN, speech, Aug. 17, 1992
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Egantry47
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Username: Egantry47
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 02:05 pm: |
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And we're going to keep blowing that "We told you so" rhetorical smoke until Bush disappears.
Have a great weekend guys, I'm off to commune with mother nature for two whole glorious days!
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Egantry47
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Oops, almost forgot. One last thing before I go, don't forget to sign the petition at moveon.org
In just about 48 hours, ABC is airing a five-hour docudrama on the 9/11 attacks. The movie was written and produced by a right-wing activist who fabricated key scenes to blame Democrats and defend Republicans. Public outrage is mounting across the country, and ABC is now "mulling the idea of yanking the mini altogether."
"The Path to 9/11" is nothing less than partisan revisionist history and should not be aired. It's sole purpose, even to the timing of its release, is to use woefully distorted propaganda in an effort to influence a regrettably ill-informed electorate in the upcoming Congressional elections. If you air this movie, you will fail in your obligation as a broadcaster to act responsibly toward the viewing public, and it will therefore be necessary for those of us who are informed to launch a campaign to protest the FCC's renewal of your broadcasting license."
http://pol.moveon.org/abcdoc/?id=8709-3009519-vuCEXK3g45mnxaaDlNSaYg&t=4s
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 02:49 pm: |
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ABC? Wow!! I'll be glued to my set....lol |
Njaeok
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 04:18 pm: |
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Now I'm confused. Did ABC switch sides?
Who is this "right wing activist"?
Well--- whoever he is I am sure he will be appreciative for your publicity.
Personaly-- if I find time to view it then I will decide wheather to applaud or boo.
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Tess
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:49 pm: |
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Too many conservatives on the floor at one time. I gotta blow my whistle. I am going to have to bench one of you, if I don't step in.
Personal times are tough, but hey, such is life. I leave you with a couple of lines from Green Day and their song Holiday...
"I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives"
Remember, this site is brought to you, for free, by a couple of tolerant liberals. And well, we need to say somthing from time to time.
And you all be praying for Albert. Me, too. This is really hard.
Have a great weekend.
Tess |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:50 pm: |
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I don't know Jimbo...but hillary and bill are REAL upset by this...and I'm LMAO... |
Tess
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Username: Tess
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:04 pm: |
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Bubs, you are offically benched.
I can't wait until Ms. Clinton is president. Yep. I can't wait.
And just so you know, Jimbo already said he would vote for her! We got that in print some place around here.
BTW, got the new Dixie Chicks CD. You should give it a try! Check out the Not Ready to Make Nice track.
And happy almost birthday, you LOMIC.
Tessie Poo |
Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:09 pm: |
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Tessie, Jimbo is not a Conservative ...he's a Libarian...uhhh...Literarian....uuhhh....Libertarian |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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Tessie,You cant bench me,Albert gave me a "GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" card about three years ago... |
Tess
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Username: Tess
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:16 pm: |
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He is a LOMIA. And I know what all you LOM are up to. Driving Miss Tess bonkers!
I loves you bunches. Even when we disagree. I am going to bed. On the morrow.
Tessie
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Morning_song
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Username: Morning_song
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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It's O.K., Tessie....
Because today is the national "Hug Your Favorite Republican" day.
(grin)
(Message edited by morning_song on September 08, 2006) |
Morning_song
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Username: Morning_song
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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BUT WHAT IS A LOMIA????
(I'm not sure I want to hug THAT)!!!!
(rolling on the floor laughing and laughing)
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Njaeok
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Username: Njaeok
| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 11:30 pm: |
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We wuz jus funnen---
Besides Eagle Beak ain't even here. She is out swooping fer prey er prayen fer Swoop. I ferget which one. Ole Swoop might be a getten lucky Tonite.
An I ain't no Luthianian either. Ima red blooded Merican.
Wait a minets my wine glass is empty-=--
Whooeee ats some good persimmon wine. I'm on the last two jugs of last years persimmon crop. I done eh alcohol test today an it registered 22% pure methanol. Whooeee it warms all the way down to my go---ehh never mind. It jus does.
Lots of folks are believing that the Republicrats are envolved in dome sort of big ole neferious plot to rule the good ole U S of A.
Other folks think the same bout the Democans. I got news for all those folks. There ain't nuf smarts in the lot to rule a day care center. All this mixed up jumble of confusing political activity that folks think is the result of some neferious plot is simply rank imcompetence. All that lieing and double talk and classifing sensitive documents is just an attempt to hide that imcompetence from the voters.
Now ole Bill Clinton was kind of an exception. He was the kind of mate I could hang out with and have fun but I wouldn't leave him alone with my favorite squeeze on a bet. He has a great intellect but he is a moral idiot who could never be a close friend. His immediate impluses and sexual drives are way to high on his priorty list.
Next time I am into my cups I will most likely expound on the characters of other hopeful and ex presidents. Right now I am having trouble finding the keyboard.
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 11:45 pm: |
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Tessie,dontchu dare tell theze wimmin folks about the LOM'S.....lol.Yu do and Jimbo and I will fill your pool with frogs and junebugs...Now Jibo ....uhhhh Jimbo,you promised me a cup of that methanol whin yu got-her brewed up..I need sum before we start taking on the Dixie Chicks and the ALAMO....or wuz dat da Dixiecrats and da whips? Are yu comin' on dat road trip burthday bash or not? |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 11:51 pm: |
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Jimbo hurry up,we gotta git outta hyar afor dat Tessie gal wakes up.Yu got paper in thar?
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 12:13 am: |
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Yeah I gotz eh sears en rareback in here. Atsa nuff papers fer me.
Ooohhhh da barber da baker da candle stick maker waza wipen himself witha piece of tissue paper. The paper waz thin an heez fingers slipped in-- Uuuhh-- what a mess that feller waz in.
I donno bout at birthday bash road trip but I'll be thar iffen someone will tell me where en when. En I'll save a jug of at persimmon wine fer da trip.
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 09:33 am: |
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An excerpt from the Patriot Post.
Iran’s Khatami visits U.S.
Former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami is in the U.S. this week, speaking yesterday on the “dialogue of civilizations” at the National Cathedral in Washington, DC. Behind him hung a banner: “My house shall be called the house of prayer for all people,” from Isaiah 56:7, showing once again the Episcopal establishment’s penchant for relieving Scripture of its meaning. This rings all the more true given the fact that the State Department designated Iran as the world’s number one sponsor of terrorism for all eight years of Khatami’s presidency, from 1997 to 2005.
This designation notwithstanding, Khatami is generally considered a moderate in the West, and, accordingly, the intelligentsia found itself blushing yesterday when Khatami argued in support of Iran’s current president, the radical Mahmud Ahmadi-Nejad, and defended the country’s right to pursue its nuclear programs. Sounding a familiar theme from Iran’s Islamofascist regime, Khatami scolded that the real threat to regional peace was Israel’s nuclear program, not Iran’s. The same day, Ahmadi-Nejad announced his intention to speak before the United Nations General Assembly in New York on 19 September—the same day President Bush is scheduled to address that body. Flouting Iran’s contempt for the West and any efforts to arbitrate its nuclear program, Ahmadi-Nejad says this will give him an opportunity to debate President Bush and demonstrate his country’s peaceful intentions.
None of this has prevented Harvard and the University of Virginia from hosting Khatami as a speaker this week, though the timing is all the more awkward given Ahmadi-Nejad’s latest decree calling for the purge of “liberal and secular” academics from Iran’s universities. Khatami defended his successor yesterday, however, denying that civil and human rights have been pushed back under Ahmadi-Nejad. More ironic still, none other than Jimmy Carter—who bungled the Iran Hostage Crisis for 444 days during his presidency and who now spends his days as a so-called defender of human rights—will also host Khatami during his visit here. Oddly, the more repressive the Iranian regime becomes, the bigger the platform the American left seems intent on giving them. Who would have thought that fascists and socialists could get along so well?
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 12:41 pm: |
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Only in America,Jimbo....only in America...
LOMIC |
Tess
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 07:42 pm: |
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You best not be bad mouthing Jimmy Carter! Hug a republican day is officially over! I might have to get fiesty on you! LOL And honest man was once president! And that man was Jimmy Carter.
Love to LOMIA and LOMIC, and well, all LOMIEIEIO!
Tessie Poo |
Egantry47
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush, striking a rare conciliatory note toward a state he has included in an "axis of evil," has said that he was "interested in learning more" about Iran and its government.
The former moderate Iranian leader, known for his diplomatic entreaties to the Bill Clinton administration, has been on a speaking tour of the United States this week.
"I was interested to hear what he had to say," Bush told The Wall Street Journal in an interview. "I'm interested in learning more about the Iranian government, how they think, what people think within the government."
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 08:50 am: |
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Today I remember-------
Wrote a missive five years ago to a very special friend.
Food is not my thing at this hour.
How's the coffee situation? Ummm -- smells good. There is a nip in the air out, almost enough to light a fire.
Reckon it will be as different for our kids and grandkids as it is for us? I suspect it will be even more so.
The old folks warned me about a lot things that were likely to happen and carried on about how terrible it would be. All of the things I was warned about either never happened or we as a culture handled them quiet well coming out of it better then we went in.
Television was the amazing thing. People would stand outside a display window in crowds oohing and aaaing at the sight.
Drive in movies was the entertainment of the day and hiding in the trunk to get in free was the big social crime.
In our worst nightmares we never dreamed of drive by shootings. Most folks owned guns and were skilled in their use. A drive by shooter would have been full of holes within minuets.
No one dreamed that Hitler would shock us so deeply that we would close our eyes to the atrocities of communism, the killing fields of Asia, the systemic Islamic genocide in Africa---
Then it came home---
The evil is here.
Why didn’t we stop it over there?
Thousands of innocent lives snuffed out in less then an hour----
They hate us--- why do they hate us so much?
We never done anything to them---
No we didn’t—
Only while their babies were starving and wasting away from lack of nourishment—we were spending billions of dollars each year on ways to get rid of excess fat. No, we didn’t do anything to them.
While their families were being hunted down and killed, raped and tortured for some slight ethnic or political difference, we spent weeks agonizing over some jealous idiot that killed his ex wife and her boyfriend in a fit of rage. Then let him off because he had a dark complexion..
No we didn’t do anything to them.
And the evil spread and grew and now it is here.
Is there any real problem why we can’t sleep?
I hope to God our grandchildren are smarter then us.
Jim
I could write the same missive today with no changes.
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:58 am: |
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Why should George W be concerned??
"Dissimulation = Taqiyya
Islam's attitude towards lying and honoring agreements with non-Muslims.
This conclusion is taken from "The 4th Conference of Islamic Research" at Al Azar University in Cairo, 1970.
Taqiyya
The expression taqiyya means to dissimulate and is used when serving the propagation of Islam or benefiting a Muslim compared to 'infidels'. Lying to 'infidels' is officially acknowledged and is religiously motivated.
Lying is okay
In essence taqiyya means that a Muslim is allowed to hide his or her intentions in a difficult situation. For instance in regard to Koran interpretations, the more mellow verses are emphasized towards people with no thorough knowledge of the matter, and threatening, harsh verses are hidden.
Muhammed did it
Taqiyya was practiced by the Prophet, Mohammed, himself; in negotiations where he fooled his opponents. For that very reason Muslims often enter into agreements intending to break them when they have assumed control of the situation.
Denial
Active Muslims in the West deny the use of taqiyya. This emphatic denial of using taqiyya towards us and the authorities is part of the method used in taqiyya. Often it leads to confusion on behalf of us and negotiating authorities e.g. the Ministry of the Interior.
Common claim
A common example of taqiyya is the claim that Islam does not do missionary work in the West. At the same time Arab states spend four to five billions of dollars for missionary work in Europe per year. In Germany thousands of mosques have been built over the last 15 years.
Fraud is legitimate
Fraud and lies are religiously permitted means in Islam. A negotiated settlement or an agreement with a Muslim is never final.
Posted by: Mac at July 28, 2005 08:20 AM
Joe to save you the trouble of looking things up yourself, here you go. My old Irish granny told me never to ask for something you don't want.
Qur?an 9:3 ?Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.?
Qur?an 66:1 ?Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.?
Ishaq:519 ?Hajjaj said to the Apostle, ?...I must tell lies.? The Apostle said, ?Tell them.??
Qur?an 8:58 ?If you apprehend treachery from a people with whom you have a treaty, retaliate by breaking off relations with them.?
Qur?an 8:30 ?Allah is the best schemer.?
Ishaq:323 ?I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them.?
Ishaq:365/Tabari VII:94 ?Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ?O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.? ?Say what you like,? Muhammad replied. ?You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.??
Qur?an 13:27 ?Say, ?God leads whosoever He wills astray.?
Bukhari:V7B67N427 ?The Prophet said, ?If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.?
I await your explanation of how one can assume that a Muslim taking an oath on the Koran can be accepted as telling the truth. That is the issue here, isn't it?"
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Egantry47
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Who the heck is Mac? You really need to source your quotes better than this, Bubby. No one's going to take you seriously if you don't.
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Egantry47
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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And while you're trying to find the source on your quotes, Bubby, take a look at Bushlies.net. It lists lots of real whoppers right from the lips of Bush the Christian hypocrite.
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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You need to source your mind,Ergie...obviously your needs and my needs are different.Did you actually read the statements in the Koran?I did. Go there for your source.It makes no difference to you though,does it? Never mind what the Koran says,blame it all on Bush....yup,yup...there ya go again..go read the stated verses above...then come back.10-4? Oh,you don't own a Koran? Darn!!I bet you can find excerpts from it. |
Egantry47
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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Plagiarism is a crime, Bubby, and not allowed here at the Cafe. That's one reason to quote your sources. The other will become obvious when you do.
Now we've estabished that Christians hypocrites like Bush lie, and some Muslims lie. Whooopie! Like we didn't already know that?
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 03:58 pm: |
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Ms Ergie,I used "quotations" and I believe you are probably the only Plagiarism cop on the beat today.It could have been one of Dennis Pragers blogs,then again,it could have been from that conservative site of which I have several bookmarked....until then, I refer you back to the Koran verses. If we cannot believe in whom we are dealing with,then why should we deal with them?Why should we believe in THEM? What I would really like to know is YOUR true identity.If you can't reveal that,then why should we believe anything YOU say? ....Are you a part owner?Moderator?
In charge of the indoor plumbing ,or just a Bush Whacker? Why do you refuse to give us your name?
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 04:10 pm: |
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By Mychal Massie
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Pathogens of cowardice
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Posted: September 12, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Liberal Democrats (and liberal Republicans) do not understand the nature of the threat that confronts America pursuant to the war on terror. They certainly do not understand the nature of the beasts we war against and they absolutely do not have a clue per the ramifications of America's ''cutting and running'' in Iraq as they advocate.
Steve McMahon, a top Democrat strategist and longtime advisor to Democrat Party Chairman Howard Dean, personifies this truth. During a recent appearance on Fox News Channel's ''Fox News Live,'' his comments revealed why it is paramount his kind be kept out of office, and those of his ilk that are in office be removed.
McMahon was asked: ''What do Democrats propose doing that Republicans haven't already thought of?'' His response was right out of a 6-year-old's primer – in fact his puerile answer was the equivalent to said child saying he wanted to be a fireman when he grew up.
''[Democrats],'' he responded ''would be about getting Osama bin Laden.'' He went on to say, ''Republicans haven't been very effective'' in catching bin Laden. He also used the phrase ''pinned down'' referring to our troops – a talking point he would use a total of five times in less than five minutes.
The problem with this liberal reasoning is that killing bin Laden, in and of itself, would accomplish nothing. His would simply be another bearded head, with a lice-infested beard, on a morgue slab. Liberals don't understand this war isn't about ''kill bin Laden and come home.'' This war is a battle between the forces right and the dark forces of Islamic evil.
Osama bin Laden has in reality long since ceased to be a central factor in this war. His top aides have been killed or captured. And there exists the very real possibility that he is either dead or in such poor health, even if he were an active potentate, his effectiveness would be significantly diminished.
McMahon's comments pursuant to our troops being ''pinned down'' show the contempt they have for our military. American and coalition forces are not pinned down – they are fighting valiantly and effectively. For these banausic insults to freedom to insinuate our men and women are unable and incapable of returning victorious is an insult to every active duty serviceman and veteran.
Then the well-to-do elitist liberal, whose assignment is to plot the way for a group of liberal, anti-military pathogens of cowardice to claim and/or retain seats in Congress, uttered the phrase that offends me most. He asserted that there was no ''exit strategy.''
What he and his kind refuse to recognize and acknowledge is that there is an ''exit strategy.'' To be blunt, it is called ''obliterate the enemy, stabilize the area, and then come home.'' That's a fairly simplistic formula, but when our military is daily bastardized by the liberal media and vilified by liberal Democrats, it gets complicated. It gets complicated because the president and the Pentagon then try to wage a war that doesn't upset the media and Muslim esprit de corps.
Such liberals are a one-trick pony (and a pathetic one at that). They raise the specter of defeat and quagmire in Iraq because they have nothing else to run on, save homosexual marriage, abortion on demand, race-baiting, and Bush is bad. Suffice it to say, none of which have been successful strategies in recent elections.
However, here again they are overlooking key factors in continuing to attack our military and advocating cut and run. They are overlooking the fact that military families and their friends, as well as the military personnel themselves vote. Having coiffed troubadours berate and castigate loved ones in harm's way does not ingratiate one's party to their families (Cindy Sheehan notwithstanding).
They perceive Americans to be like them, but they overlook that there exists a resolve in the being of Americans that makes us want to fight that which is wrong, and defend that which is right. That spirit embodied our forefathers and that same spirit exists in the hearts of Americans today.
The idea that our way of life isn't worth fighting for, may ingratiate those so persuaded to a George Soros or a Michael Moore – but it doesn't translate into support from the people that will decide whether or not they get into office or stay in office.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 04:25 pm: |
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The Mullah in the Cathedral
The Folly of So-Called 'Dialogue'
September 12, 2006
Recent events make it clear that the Islamic Republic of Iran poses great challenges to both American security and global stability. In furtherance of its religiously inspired goals, Iran has funded and armed both Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Shiite militias in Iraq, fighting Americans. And then, there's Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons, which, in the hands of apocalyptic fanatics like President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is a terrifying prospect.
Given this political context, you would think that, at the very least, we would be wary about anything an Iranian spokesman has to say. And we should also pay careful attention to where he says it from. Unfortunately, that kind of clear thinking is in short supply these days.
It's hard to conclude otherwise if you follow the progress of former Iranian president Mohammed Khatami's current speaking tour of the United States. Khatami, whom Reuters called "the most prominent Iranian to visit the United States . . . in decades," is often called a "moderate," but according to the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, during his term as president of Iran, "religious minorities—including Jews, Christians, Sunni and Sufi Muslims, Baha'is, dissident Shia Muslims, and others—faced systematic harassment, discrimination, imprisonment, torture, and even execution based on their religious beliefs." Hardly "moderate."
Khatami's U.S. tour is part of a public relations campaign by Tehran. During his visit to Washington, Khatami warned the United States not to threaten Iran. He said that the "distrust" between Washington and Iran made dialogue impossible. A State Department spokesman immediately replied by saying that "the place to start when talking about . . . threats is with [Iranian] President [Ahmadinejad's] threatening to wipe the state of Israel off the map."
But what really offended me the most was that he made these comments in the National Cathedral in Washington, home of the Episcopal diocese of Washington. The Cathedral is especially hallowed ground this week because it was just five years ago this week that Billy Graham, President Bush, and others led the nation in mourning for the victims of September 11. That a spokesman for the biggest sponsor of Islamic terrorism, a nation supplying insurgents to kill American troops today, would be allowed to speak from the same place the week before September 11, 2006—blasphemy.
Are we mad? Why was he allowed to speak there? The purported reason, of course, is promoting dialogue, which is hopelessly naïve. One of Iran's most powerful clerics recently called Iran the "the only legitimate government endorsed by the Almighty" and "an extension of God." The rest of us live in "utter darkness." How do you "dialogue" with that?
I'll give the Iranians this much: They know that they are in a clash of civilizations. The same can't be said for the canons of the National Cathedral who, because they don't take the truth claims of their own religion seriously, assume the same of the Iranian leadership. Given what we know about Iran, that's dangerous folly.
By Chuck Colson
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Egantry47
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 04:51 pm: |
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You still haven't told us who this mysterious Mac person is, Bubby. Why is that? What are his/her credentials, is he/she an expert on the Quran or is he/she just another conservative bloke shooting of his/her mouth about things he/she doesn't understand?
Do some in depth research and you'll see how silly your post really is. Or if you're too lazy to do the research, email Zaheer. You remember Zaheer, don't you?
You don't need to know who or what I am. I quote my sources in my posts and my opinions are just that.
(Message edited by egantry47 on September 12, 2006)
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 05:13 pm: |
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You still haven't told us who this Ergantry person is either and what your credentials are for posting such hatred against conservatives.What makes you a pseudo- intellectual that seems to be a shadow with a voice? Read your Koran and reference the verses above....too lazy? Maybe I can cut n paste it.Would that satisfy you? I think you need a nap. |
Njaeok
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 05:28 pm: |
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Com"on LOMIO---
Give the girl a break. If you were spouting the pseudo liberal socialist line would you want anyone to know who you are?
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Egantry47
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 05:52 pm: |
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You really don't have a clue who Mac is, do you Bubby? You just read that post on some blog and since it fit your hate all Muslims agenda you never bothered to do any research on the topic, you just did a quick copy and paste and let it fly. Isn't that about right, Bubby? Mocking another person's religion doesn't bother you at all does it, Bubby?
Jim, Bubby doesn't need your help, he's perfectly capable of trashing me without out it. You can practice your reading skills by going over that Keith Olbermann article again.
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Egantry47
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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And now, gentlelmen, time for a group hug before Tess drops by and drop kicks the lot of us to another site.
(((((HUGS)))))
"If we don't learn to get along with one another, cast off our social and religious dogma and deal with reality as it is, we will not survive this social cycle and have to start all over again." - Jim Armstrong
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 06:00 pm: |
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Who is that masked lady? Me hate all Muslims? Pshawww...huggies to you 2 |
Njaeok
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 06:09 pm: |
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Awwwww-- )))))HUGS(((((
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Tess
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 06:19 pm: |
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Nothing like a group hug to take the edge off!
Tess
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 07:41 pm: |
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Uh Oh---
Tess done snuck up on us.
We was jus funnen Tess.
No big deal. Everybody dies. In a hunnert years everybody alive today will be across the great divide fixing up for another round of fun and games.
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Tess
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 07:55 pm: |
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While I have your attention, be thinking of Albert and praying for him tomorrow. He goes back to the cancer doctor and will hopefully hear more about what it is he has to do to kick this cancer!
Tess |
Njaeok
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 08:17 pm: |
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Gotcha my invisible friend.
Albert is constantly in my prayers, as are you.
Born with the gift of laughter and aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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