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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:43 am: | 
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Arianna Huffington
When it comes to the White House's latest "new approach" to Iraq, we are definitely entering "the lunatics have taken over the asylum" territory.
The judgment behind it -- looking at the advice of military experts, and the unambiguous results of the November election, and deciding the proper response is to escalate our involvement in Iraq -- is straight out of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Psychiatric literature defines delusional thinking as "false or irrational beliefs maintained despite clear evidence to the contrary."
Sound like any commander-in-chief you know?
Indeed, watching Sen. Lindsey Graham shill for the administration on Meet the Press this weekend, and hearing him state with utter conviction and a gleam in his eye, "We've got a new team on the ground. We're going to come up with a new strategy. The strategy is going to be designed to win," I couldn't help but think of the reports from psychiatrists who have treated patients with delusional personalities. The truly deranged are often so committed to their delusions, and so insistent, that part of your brain actually starts thinking: Hmm, maybe this person really is Napoleon! Maybe that woman really is a fried egg! Maybe the surge really will lead to victory in Iraq!
Meanwhile, the other part of your brain -- the rational part -- is reminding you that, no, in fact, that person is not Napoleon or any part of a Denny's Grand Slam Breakfast. They are simply utterly insane.
So now, as the president prepares to preempt Deal or No Deal to lay out his new plan for Iraq in prime time on Wednesday night (and wouldn't it be great if we could all collectively shout "No deal! No deal!!" at him through our TVs?), it might be useful to have a diagnostic checklist -- things we should to be looking for during the speech to help us evaluate where the president currently stands on the "I'm a fried egg" delusion continuum. (Hat tip to Dr. Bill Frist, who paved the way for such video-diagnoses.)
Here are some of the key symptoms of "false or irrational beliefs maintained despite clear evidence to the contrary" we should be looking out for:
Does he display clear indications of denial, continuing to use words like "victory," "win," and "stable democracy"? Does he avoid using the phrase "civil war"? When he repeatedly talks about "sacrifice" does he skip over the fact that this doesn't include me and you, and over 99 percent of Americans?
Does he exhibit signs of the classic layman's definition of insanity: repeatedly doing the same thing but expecting a different result? Look to see if he trots out strategies that have already failed time and time again and acts like he expects them to have a different outcome. Be on particular alert for mentions of a new Baghdad security plan, and see if they are accompanied by any reference to the five previous such plans, all of which have failed to curb the chaos. And keep an eye open for even the slightest acknowledgment that throughout the war the military has repeatedly carried out troop surges of more than 20,000 and the bloodshed in Iraq has continued to increase.
Does the patient -- I mean, the president -- demonstrate magical thinking, signs of a belief that merely wishing for something can make it so? For example, when he talks about sending an additional 20,000 troops to Iraq, does he acknowledge the reality that military commanders have told him they don't have the troops available to deploy more than 9,000 soldiers? Does he appear cognizant of the fact that in order to come up with even 20,000 troops the military would have to remobilize reserves, extend current tours of duty, give new units dangerously little time to train, shorten the amount of time between tours for troops returning home, and leave America even less able to deal with any new security threat?
Does he continue to make the claim that we're fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them over here...even though there isn't a shred of evidence that the war in Iraq has made us safer, and a great deal of evidence that it has, in fact, had the opposite effect?
Does he continue to irrationally link the war in Iraq to 9/11, as Tony Snow did on Monday when he claimed the president "understands there is a lot of public anxiety" about the war, but that the American people "don't want another September 11."
Does he admit that the new top commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Odierno said that even with a troop surge, it could take another "two or three years" for our troops to get the upper hand in Iraq?
Does he explain where the $100 billion in additional war funds he will be asking Congress for next month is going to come from, or do you get the sense that he believes it will come from the exact same place the additional troops will come from?
Sadly, I think the diagnosis is inevitable. Nothing in Bush's history suggests otherwise. This will leave the rational treatment of the war in the hands of Dr. Reid, Dr. Pelosi, and their Congressional cohorts. The prescription? A straitjacket on the president's war funding requests.
It's one thing to believe you're Napoleon. It's quite another to send more young people to die in your Waterloo.
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(Message edited by jennifer03801 on January 10, 2007)
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:30 am: |
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Arianna always was quick with the psycho babble. She uses it to fill in when she has nothing rational to say. That's pretty much most of the time.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:08 am: |
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Good Afternoon, Jimbo. Do you think sending 9,000 or 20,000 more troops is really going to make much of a difference?
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 02:34 pm: |
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Evening Jin my friend.
Actually I don't think they are needed but if it will stifel any psycho babbeling talking heads it might be worth it.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 04:05 pm: |
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Haha - love your response, Jimbo. You've had enough of the babel, have you? Me too, I'm sick of it all. It seems to me if the Iraqi's want to kill each other off, there's really nothing we can do to stop them. There will eventually come a point where one side or the other manages to gain control. It's not our country, not our business, so the way I see it, our troops shouldn't be there caught in the crossfire.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 04:29 pm: |
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Spoken like a true Libertarian!
If we had had a Libertarian administration in charge we would have dropped a tactical nuke on so dam insane's head the first time he broke the peace agreement and then let them sort out their own differences. A lot fewer people would have died and the rest of terrorists and would be world conquors would be anxious to not upset the U.S.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 12:26 am: |
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Insurgents Behead Buddhist in Thailand
From Associated Press
January 14, 2007 12:12 AM EST
BANGKOK, Thailand - A Buddhist man in restive southern Thailand was beheaded by suspected Muslim insurgents who left a note by the body warning Buddhists to leave the area that has been gripped by bloody violence for three years, police said.
The man and his wife were working at a rubber plantation in Yala province when a group attacked them, shooting the man three times in the chest before beheading him and killing his wife, said police Lt. Kittiphong Phuduangjit.
Another Buddhist was killed in a drive-by shooting in a separate attack in Yala, said police Lt. Narasak Chiangsuk, who blamed the attack on insurgents.
Drive-by shootings and bombings occur almost daily in Thailand's three southernmost Muslim-majority provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani, where an Islamic insurgency that flared in January 2004 has killed more than 1,900 people.
Send more troops -bomb the world with fertilizer...that's my opinion...maybe we could grow some sympathy. |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 07:57 am: |
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Missed you, Bubby. Hope you're doing ok.
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US strikes on al-Qa'ida chiefs kill nomads
The herdsmen had gathered with their animals around large fires at night to ward off mosquitoes. But lit up by the flames, they became latest victims of America's war on terror.
It was their tragedy to be misidentified in a secret operation by special forces attempting to kill three top al-Qa'ida leaders in southern Somalia.
Oxfam yesterday confirmed at least 70 nomads in the Afmadow district near the border with Kenya had been killed. The nomads were bombed at night and during the day while searching for water sources. Meanwhile, the US ambassador to Kenya has acknowledged that the onslaught on Islamist fighters failed to kill any of the three prime targets wanted for their alleged role in the 1998 US embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 08:25 am: |
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like you ,Jenn,I have been keeping a head count....rather a be-head count.I would give you a total of those beheaded,but my calculator broke... |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 08:55 am: |
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Yeah, right, but don't try using that "my calculator broke" excuse with the IRS.
And to those 70 nomads you're going to have to add, what is it now? How many tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians?
Jimbo's right, the whole world is mad.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 09:22 am: |
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The most compelling evidence for the existance of the supernatural is the behavior of people. Mere humans could not possibly dream up such an endless litney of evil and horror without the help of some powerful supernatural evil intelligence.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 10:30 am: |
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Nonsense, Jimbo.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:07 am: |
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Jennifer (or whatever your real name is),your response is non-sense.What Jimbo says is true.Your P.C. Darwinistic beliefs cannot allow you to perceive such a notion.The Devil is in the details...and he is definitely full of details-and furthermore....you are not the sooth-sayer here.You can apply for that job,but you have to
submit your application in triplicate and submit to Jimbo.Now get back in the kitchen with Fancy Nancy where you belong.... ...and remember;its illegal to behead someone for their opinions or beliefs.Oh yeah,and put those dirty dishes in the dishwasher.I'm tired of looking at them....
I'm gone....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:19 am: |
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As you wish, Bubby. Following your line of thinking, Bush must have been under the influence of the Devil when he decided it was ok to blow innocent people to bits. So if Bush is possessed by the Devil, what is the biblical punishment for that? Are we to stone him, beat the devil out of him or what?
I always wanted to have the FBI, CIA, and SS knocking on my door.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 12:29 pm: |
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Wow Jen!
Your fixation on Bush borders on pathological. It seems that ever conversation with you must be directed in some not OK way at G.W.
When I was thirteen I had a fixation on Yevonn DeCarlo, (a really hot movie star). Of course my fixation was from my point of view a positive thing; though I doubt had she known she would have considered it positive.
She didn't know so it had no effect on her at all and that is much the same with your bizarre fication on G.W.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 12:59 pm: |
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Now, Jimbo, you really are exaggerating. I have a gazillion posts in this forum that in no way mention or refer to Bush. I'd be will to bet you and Bubby are far more fixated on Liberals, pseudo-Liberals than I am Bush.
I never even thought about Bush possibly being *possessed* until you and Bubby brought up the *supernatural* and *Devil* thing. Not that I think it excuses his behavior or anything, but, if one is a believer in the *supernatural*, I suppose that would explain his total disregard for the value of human life, except his own.
Anyway, I feel one of your long bear tracks in the woods lectures coming on. Have at it, and I'll be back later tonight to read it.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 01:40 pm: |
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What a coincidence - just got this from Daily Muslim Wisdom.
"Even before accomplishing enlightenment a person knows that everything attests to the existence of God. But these virtuous feelings of innocence disappear as he begins to mingle with corrupt society, because worldly affairs hinder him from swimming in the vast ocean of insight."
-Al-Ghazzali, "Ihya Ulum Id-Din"
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 01:48 pm: |
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Hey Al Ghazzalee...smoke this one...
A telephone poll taken by the office of the Governor of Texas asked whether people who live in Texas think illegal immigration is a serious problem:
35% of respondents answered: "Yes, it is a serious problem."
65% of respondents answered: "No es una problema serio."
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 02:17 pm: |
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See what I mean Bub?
Jen is not dumb by any means. She is just so fixed on riding her political horse that she can't think about anything else. She equates the discussion of a philosophical notion with the discussion of individual character in order to bring the conversation back around to some love/hate fantasy she has for sn individual politician. And its not like she is the only one. I mean both sides of the political spectrum seem to be so full of hate and discontent that a rational discussion is quickly lost in the noise and name calling.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 03:54 pm: |
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I truly believe Jenn thinks she is
swimming in that vast ocean of insight
that good ol Al is talking about.Her only problem is that she is wearing
bullfrog 95 sun blocker and the insight
is rolling off her brain like a cheap shampoo...I'm sure she will devise a
new way to attack Bush before
the day is over.She must really love GW.... |
Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 04:03 pm: |
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I have to... Jimbo you didn't say that....
ROTFLMAO @ Bubby
noe we are all not Bush fans, but he is our president.
so was Carter...
peanuts anyone.....
Bush bashers Click here
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060906195037AABtdRG
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 04:30 pm: |
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You boys call in reinforcements, did you?
You could have done better, maybe a Marine familiar with synonyms for penis. I believe they teach that in boot camp, the old rifle gun thing. Or is that the Army? Whatever.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 04:30 pm: |
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Hey Doc!!
I don't know if I am being cheered of shushed. But in any event I'm happy to have you join the discussion. We need some of your humor and talent for pointing out the elephant in the room.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 05:19 pm: |
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Your being cheered 
is there a big elephant in the room....
better put on our shades....
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 05:34 pm: |
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no one called in reinforcements
they just happen to pass on by....
who needs the army when you have the Navy....
hey GW is lucky pehaps his biggest fan will become the next Monica
babbeling talking heads
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 06:18 pm: |
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You applying for the job, Shari, as GW's Monica? Don't get your hopes up, dear, I don't think junior smokes.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 07:17 pm: |
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Did I hear a loud MEOWWW --- HISSSSTT?
I had an older sister that done that. I guareentoled you she could hiss the dandruff right out of your hair and make your ears ring for an hour. (I make this crap up a I go along).
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 07:29 pm: |
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We know you do, and keep up the good work, Jimbo.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 10:52 pm: |
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"If you keep judging others to make yourself feel better......LET IT GO"!!! Who said that? |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 14, 2007 - 11:15 pm: |
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I believe it was one of those psycho babble folks Jimbo was talking about, Bubby.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 04:01 am: |
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I recieved a invatation to the White House Black tie dinner for Mr Bush two years ago, i declined it. Just can't drink bush beer...
but jen since you can't seem to let the man go thought you would be perfect fo the job...
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 09:45 am: |
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"She had the best music on her station and most people just laughed. The ship I was on was sunk no less than five times but each time Davey Jones threw her back up.
Tokyo Rose During World War II -- the Japanese developed a way to demoralize the American forces. Psychological warfare experts developed a message they felt would work.
They gave the script to their famous broadcaster "Tokyo Rose" and every day she would broadcast this same message packaged in different ways, hoping it would have a negative impact on American GI's morale.
What was that demoralizing message? It had three main points:
1. Your President is lying to you.
2. This war is illegal.
3. You cannot win the war.
Does this sound familiar? Is it because Tokyo Hillary, Tokyo Harry, Tokyo John, Tokyo Teddy, Tokyo Nancy, etc. have picked up the same message and are broadcasting it on Tokyo CNN, Tokyo ABC, Tokyo CBS, Tokyo NBC, etc., to our troops?
The only difference is that they claim to support our troops before they demoralize them.
Come to think of it, Tokyo Rose told the troops she was on their side, too!"
Johnny McClain
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:37 am: |
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Way before my time, Bubby, so I had to look up Tokyo Rose. Turned out to be a very interesting read, so thanks for bringing up the topic.
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Much to the eventual disappointment of American GIs masturbating all over the Pacific theater, Tokyo Rose never existed. There was nobody named Tokyo Rose, nor was it anybody's nickname. There was never even a fictional character named Tokyo Rose. The name was just a placeholder used by Allied troops to refer to any of the two dozen female voices they heard regularly on Radio Tokyo. Nevertheless, after World War II an American citizen was accused of having been that nonexistent fictional character, and she wound up in a federal penitentiary serving a ten-year sentence for treason.
That woman was named Iva Ikuko Toguri. Iva was born and raised in Los Angeles. Her birthday was the 4th of July. You really can't get any more American than that. She graduated from UCLA in 1941 and had plans to enroll in medical school. But then she wound up going to Japan on a fluke.
When an aunt in Japan fell ill, the family was bound by tradition to send someone. So in July 1941, Iva took a 3-week ocean voyage and landed in a country she had never seen before. Japanese customs were alien to her. She didn't care for Japanese cuisine and actually hated the taste of rice. Then one day, Pearl Harbor got blown to •••• in a sneak attack, and Iva was suddenly trapped on enemy soil.
Iva attempted to return to California, but government bureaucrats stalled her paperwork requests and the last ship sailed without her. Iva patently refused when the Special Security Police repeatedly demanded that she renounce her American citizenship. So they rewarded her patriotism by categorizing her an "enemy alien," which left her effectively marooned in Japan.
When the neighbors became hostile toward Iva's relations, she decided she had to find somewhere else to stay. As an enemy alien, she was ineligible for food rations. To feed herself, she found work at NHK transcribing American news broadcasts in English. One day in late 1943 she was involuntarily selected as a disc jockey for an English-language propaganda show called "The Zero Hour." The show was conceived as a weapon to demoralize Allied soldiers, by feeding them (mostly false) information about the state of the war.
More than 20 women served as voice talent for "The Zero Hour." Iva was only one of them. Her on-air personality was called "Orphan Ann." She made 340 broadcasts under that name. Being a patriotic American performing involuntarily for an enemy of her country, Iva constantly strove to subvert the broadcasts in subtle ways. When she read the scripts, she would employ inappropriate pauses and verbal inflections to inject a tone of sarcasm recognizable only to the GIs.
After V-J Day, journalists from America swarmed Japan in search of stories. One especially desirable scoop was landing an interview with Tokyo Rose, vixen of the Japanese airwaves. Unknown to the reporters, no such person existed. In Tokyo, two representatives of the Hearst media empire made inquiries and let it be known that they were offering to pay Rose $10,000 for an interview.
Iva figured that she deserved the money as much as anybody, and certainly could use it. So she agreed to be interviewed by the Hearst men. They asked her a bunch of questions and typed up the interview. She signed the transcript. During the course of the interview, Iva had been asked whether she were the "one and only Tokyo Rose." She had replied affirmatively, knowing that there was no such person and mistakenly assuming that the amalgam had been regarded fondly by the Allied troops. She was horrified to discover how wrong she was.
Walter Winchell (the Rush Limbaugh of the 1940s) declared Toguri to be a traitor and relentlessly urged his listeners to demand that she be tried for treason. Bowing to public pressure, President Truman ordered his attorney general to proceed against her. On July 5, 1949 her trial began in San Francisco. It was the most expensive in American history, costing what would have been $9 million in today's money.
The prosecution's case was a frame-up. When none of the Orphan Ann recordings turned out to contain treasonous statements, individuals were enticed to commit perjury. Former POWs testified that they had personally witnessed Iva make incriminating statements during her radio show. On September 29th she was convicted of one count: that she "spoke into a microphone concerning the loss of ships." For this she was stripped of her U.S. citizenship, fined $10,000, and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
Iva was sent to the Alderson Reformatory for Women, where Axis Sally was serving time. Although a model prisoner in every way, whenever Iva came up for parole she was denied. On January 28, 1956 prisoner 9380-W was released. She had gotten out three years early with good behavior. But her ordeal was not over. The government soon began deportation hearings against her. Luckily, she prevailed and was allowed to remain in her homeland and not forcibly emigrate back to Japan.
Finally in 1977, President Gerald Ford granted Iva a full pardon after reading her story in a newspaper article. But she has received no restitution for her false imprisonment, nor any apology from the nation which disowned her.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Aimstraight
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 12:44 pm: |
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Tokyo Rose was a generic name given by Allied forces in the South Pacific during the war. There was a dozen english-speaking female broadcasters of Japanese propaganda.
The point is still the same.
Enjoyed the post Bubby.
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 12:51 pm: |
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A little more info from my research:
The FBI case-history cited under References, below, states: "As far as its propaganda value, Army analysis suggested that the program had no negative effect on troop morale and that it might even have raised it a bit". The New York Times in her obituary noted, "The broadcasts did nothing to dim American morale. The servicemen enjoyed the recordings of American popular music, and the United States Navy bestowed a satirical citation on Tokyo Rose at war’s end for her entertainment value."[4]
On 15 January 2006, the World War II Veterans Committee, citing "her indomitable spirit, love of country, and the example of courage she has given her fellow Americans", awarded her its annual Edward J Herlihy Citizenship Award.[5] According to her biographer, Toguri found it the most memorable day of her life.[1]
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 01:27 pm: |
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Psychological warfare
there are no Democratic Liberals in this place, is there and if they are why the heck are they not chasing this....
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 01:30 pm: |
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It's an emotional clash of Societies misfits.
The ones that sit in dark poetry bars smoking cheap cigars
And sipping on permission wine.
Dipping the quill into there wells
ejecting it into there veins
Do you dig me?
Do I spin on your cycle?
Trite messages left on the long road to get here.
© 2006 Dr Wind (All rights reserved)
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 03:37 pm: |
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(Bit of a rant, so read at your own risk.)
Unspinning the Media Spin
Stephen Hanchett
I don’t know what’s worse – listening to the lies flowing out of Bush’s mouth like a backed-up toilet, or the media lining up like a French bidet to clean them up. Our media shills are so afraid ending up like Dan Rather, that if Bush started masturbating in the middle of his speech,(which he essentially did), the media would find a way to compliment him on his technique.
First off, and in spite of what the media keeps saying, Bush NEVER admitted to a single mistake, and he never will. What he said was, “mistakes were made”, implying others made them. He’s never personally admitted to a single one, and he never will. He always implies it’s other people who make all the mistakes, and he must put up with them. That’s what he’s always done from the ‘faulty intelligence’ from the CIA, which he distorted and lied about, to the recent lynching of Saddam Hussein, that our army and embassy wanted to stop, but Bush’s national security advisor (speaking for the president) personally gave the go-ahead, saying “We are not going to be their legal nannies.” Bush always screws-up, and then always blames somebody else.
Every bad decision has been Bush’s – and usually against the advice of all the experts, including the CIA, the State Department, and his generals. Yet he has NEVER taken responsibility for anything, and ALWAYS laid it off on others. As if that weren’t bad enough – now he takes credit for accepting the responsibility that he most certainly doesn’t accept or demonstrate.
To accept responsibility for the mistakes would mean – first and foremost – accepting responsibility for the mistake of going into Iraq in the first place, and finally getting our troops out. It would involve a willingness to accept the political fallout for his failure, which he will never do. It would mean bringing the troops home, regardless of what that might do to his legacy. But Bush has done the exactly opposite – it is our troops and our nation that must ultimately take responsibility and suffer the consequences for the mistakes he made and still refuses to admit. They are dying to save his face, and rescue his failed presidency. He insists that we suffer the consequences, so that he will never have to. What Bush calls taking responsibility = NEVER taking responsibility, but always taking the credit.
BTW:. Isn’t this about the umpteenth time he’s supposedly admitted his mistakes, without actually admitting to a single one, or changing his policy one iota? Just because Carl Rove has twisted the words ‘mistakes’ and ‘responsibility’ in another speech aimed at perpetuating the same mistakes without taking any responsibility, that doesn’t mean the media has to slavishly go along EVERY time. It’s getting to be like living in China during the Cultural Revolution: the more everything keeps falling apart, the more our glorious leader is exalted for virtues he never had, and never will.
Another thing that is particularly aggravating is how they keep saying, “this is Bush’s last chance.” Come again? This isn’t ‘Deal, or No Deal’ – we’re talking about human lives, not some TV game show. This president has been wrong about the war for four years now. So how exactly is this Bush’s last chance? Are NBC, ABC and FOX news all going to get together and ask him to resign when his latest miscalculation blows up in our face? Because he’s certainly not listening to anyone else. Congress, his generals, and the American public are done – they’ve given him enough chances already. But he’s still doing whatever he wants. That’s the point - he’s out of control. Yet our media enablers still want to give him another chance. Exactly how is screwing up again going to change anything, except for the worse? We’ve been down this road for four years now. Giving Bush one more chance is like giving a drunk lying in the gutter one more drink to see if he sobers up.
This isn’t Bush’s last chance – he’ll always find more ways to f-up and get more people killed. But it may be our last chance to try and stop him before he touches off another world war. That’s whose last chance it is: Not his - ours.
Giving Bush another chance is like giving Ted Bundy another chance to date women. They’re both homicidal maniacs and it makes just as much sense. While we’re at it, why didn’t we give Saddam Hussein another chance? So what if he killed half a million Kurds during his twenty year reign – that’s still less then the 655,000 Iraqis Bush has killed over the last three years. I just don’t understand why the media is so fired up to give Bush another chance to commit mass murder, and yet they never lobbied for giving Saddam one or two last chances as president of Iraq.
The other pet peeve is how Bush is allowed to lie over and over about establishing democracy in Iraq, when that will obviously never happen, and he is destroying our democracy in the process. Why is Bush allowed to portray himself as if fighting for democracy, when he obviously has a vehement hatred of the most basic democratic principals, and loves to play the dictator?
Democracy is defined as “government of the people.” It means the people have the final say in how the nation is governed – particularly over the most important matters like going to war. Democracy is NOT electing (or letting the Supreme Court appoint) a dictator who ignores the will of the people. That may be George Bush’s and Saddam Hussein’s definition of democracy, but it’s not the definition our media should endorse, which it does by not calling him on it.
It’s absolutely ludicrous for Bush to go on and on about fighting for democracy, while at the same time torturing people, opening our mail and bugging our phones without a warrant, and issuing signing statements like Papal decrees. To hear him talking about fighting for some non-existent and never-will-be democracy in Iraq, when he’s destroying our democracy and completely ignoring what over 70% of the American public fervently wants him to do, is just like living in an insane asylum. When is the media going to stand up and say Bush is so full of crap that if he took an enema he’d disappear with a loud fart?
In his speech, Bush defined the democracy he’s supposedly trying to impose on Iraq as one “that polices its territory, upholds the rule of law, respects fundamental human liberties, and answers to its people.” Wow! How about re-establishing that kind of democracy right here in the United States? How about that for a plan of action? Let’s look at the state of our so-called democracy, at least as George Bush defines democracy.
#1 “polices its territories” – Iraq is not an American territory, and Iraq was never a threat to America. What distinguishes a democracy from a totalitarian state is that democracies don’t go to war unless they have to. By lying to the public and going to war in Iraq, Bush acted as a dictator rather than a democratic leader.
#2 “upholds the rule of law” – Bush breaks the law on principal, just because he thinks he can get away with it. He would rather break the law even though he could get a warrant, because he wants to prove he’s above the law. It’s not just that Bush keeps breaking the law, it’s that he intentionally breaks down the rule of law to make himself more powerful than the law.
#3 “respects fundamental human liberties”- Bwaaaahaaaahaaa! As far as the right to privacy, it no longer exists in America - Bush has taken upon himself the right to open people’s mail, tap their phones and keep track of what books they read – all without any warrant or oversight. As far as habeas corpus – that’s gone too. The government can now pick anyone up without any charges and hold them forever without access to legal representation. As far as torture, Bush loves it. Call it his hobby.
#4 “answers to its people” – Here’s Bush’s answer to the American people last Wednesday: “I’ll do anything I want to anyone I want, anytime I want to. I'll attack any country I choose, waste your taxes and destroy your lives, run up the deficit and charge it to your grandchildren, and what's more, I don't give half a damn what you think about it.” That’s Bush’s definition of democracy. Always has been, always will be.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Doc_dr_wind
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Jen when don't you rant and rave about Bush?
he is not the best tasting cow patty in the heap
we all know this ALREADY....
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 03:45 pm: |
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Oh Jimbo that one just rolled off my lap
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Jennifer03801
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Have to, Shari. Hard as it is to believe, some people still don't get it.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Njaeok
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Come on now --- give the girl a break. She has ever right to get off however she flips her bic.
Personaly I would prefer she not be so public with her tastless erotic fantasys shrouded in elitist political jargon but no one is holding a gun to my head and forcing me to read them.
The political discussion forum has become an open rant forum with no civilized rules of discussion --- so on with the fun.
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 04:26 pm: |
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Yes Jim I hear you and I agree....
rules of discussion
New type of trolling added: Baiting other members on a personal or political level is not allowed.
well i know we have them
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 04:28 pm: |
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I've never seen a women so enamored of a president.Indeed its a love/hate relationship.I think with proper therapy,you could probably be
inclined to consider Teddy-boy Kennedy.I personally think your anger would be better served if you were more focused on the cure for adolescent angst by fighting the forces of goth subculture in Missouri....either that or how to build a miracle machine to replicate the big bang theory,help treat life -threatening illnesses,and maybe even unfold the mysteries of the universe.Laura is tired of you trying to entice her husband into your cold wasteland with your cut n paste scenarios...
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Jennifer03801
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Yes, Shari, we certainly do, something I recently pointed out rather graphically.
Jimbo, if that's your idea of an erotic fantasy, then...never mind, don't want to burst your bubble.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 04:35 pm: |
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Now Bubby, everyone knows Condi's got first dibs on Bush's itty bitty.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 04:55 pm: |
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I will not pee in the bathtub when I think my litterbox is too dirty.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:01 pm: |
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Itty-bitty one? Surely you jest...they are big and sticky in Texas.Now there is nothing indecent to the eye here...only your imagination will be overwhelmed...and don't let the last word in this photo offend you.I once pricked my finger.....
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:03 pm: |
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God I feel good.... born and bred in the USA
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Doc_dr_wind
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:05 pm: |
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@ Bubby.... what a big catus you have there my friend....
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:06 pm: |
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ohh Jenn,there are some pretty boys up in Frisco that wants to know where that Pacific Theatre is located... |
Doc_dr_wind
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Thats not Jimbo!!!!
I think things only grow that big in texas... |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:18 pm: |
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Hey Doc,that cat belong to Ted Kennedy?... |
Doc_dr_wind
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:39 pm: |
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Can't we get back to Arianna and those masturbating G.I.'s down at the Pacific theatre?
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 05:45 pm: |
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I think we found the culprits...
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Njaeok
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 07:47 pm: |
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Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep and cattle ranch just outside Roswell New Mexico. This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr., Hillary Rodham, clinton, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi,
Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer and Barbara Boxer were born.
See what happens when aliens breed with sheep? This piece of information may clear up a lot of things.
Rick Kukuk
rdkukuk@cox.net
"You have to dance like no one is watching"
"And love like it is never going to hurt"
"Live all your life, all your life long"
Born with the gift of laughter, aware that the world is mad. -- Jimbo
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 08:31 pm: |
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Dat's right Jimbo and here is a picture of Hillary at a tender age....of course,it could be Nancy Pelosi....ya know all of those aliens look the same....
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Bubby
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The Good Society and the Moral Law
January 15, 2007
More than forty years ago, on August 28, 1963, a quarter million people gathered in front of the Lincoln Memorial. They marched here for the cause of civil rights. And that day they heard Martin Luther King Jr. deliver his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, a speech in which he challenged America to fulfill her promise.
"I have a dream," he said, "that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal."
While we know of the speech, most people are unaware that King also penned one of the most eloquent defenses of the moral law: the law that formed the basis for his speech, for the civil rights movement, and for all of law, for that matter.
In the spring of 1963, King was arrested for leading a series of massive non-violent protests against the segregated lunch counters and discriminatory hiring practices rampant in Birmingham, Alabama. While in jail, King received a letter from eight Alabama ministers. They agreed with his goals, but they thought that he should call off the demonstrations and obey the law.
King explained why he disagreed in his famous Letter from a Birmingham Jail. "One may well ask, how can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer "is found in the fact that there are two kinds of laws: just laws . . . and unjust laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws," King said, "but conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
How does one determine whether the law is just or unjust? A just law, King wrote, "squares with the moral law of the law of God. An unjust law . . . is out of harmony with the moral law."
Then King quoted Saint Augustine: "An unjust law is no law at all." He quoted Thomas Aquinas: "An unjust law is a human law not rooted in eternal or natural law."
This is the great issue today in the public square: Is the law rooted in truth? Is it transcendent, immutable, and morally binding? Or is it, as liberal interpreters argue, simply whatever courts say it is? Do we discover the law, or do we create it?
Many think of King as a liberal firebrand, waging war on traditional values. Nothing could be further from the truth. King was a great conservative on this central issue, and he stood on the shoulders of Augustine and Aquinas, striving to restore our heritage of justice rooted in the law of God.
Were he alive today, I believe he would be in the vanguard of the pro-life movement. I also believe that he would be horrified at the way in which out-of-control courts have trampled on the moral truths he advocated.
From the time of Emperor Nero, who declared Christianity illegal, to the days of the American slave trade, from the civil rights struggle of the sixties to our current battles against abortion, euthanasia, cloning, and same-sex "marriage," Christians have always maintained exactly what King maintained.
King's dream was to live in harmony with the moral law as God established it. So this Martin Luther King Day, reflect on that dream—for it is worthy of our aspirations, our hard work, and the same commitment Dr. King showed.
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:25 pm: |
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Colson - still conning the gullible. Anyway, more about the Decider:
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Jane Smiley
01.15.2007
Not Only the Worst President, but the Worst Possible President
Back in the year 2000, when George W. Bush lost the popular vote and was shoe-horned into office by the Supreme Court in spite of clear conflicts of interest on the part of Scalia and Thomas, the psychology of Little George was known to only a few. To most of us he seemed like
a doofus--a more or less well-meaning guy who enjoyed running things like baseball teams and the State of Texas if not too much work was involved. Had been an alcoholic and a drug user, but had apparently come clean in some hazy, quasi-religious way--that was his personal history to many Americans (if not to all those who met with Karl Rove behind closed doors and heard the truth). At any rate, I remember thinking that Bill Clinton had done such a good job over the years getting the budget into a surplus and winning good feelings around the world that it really didn't matter who of the four who were running (Gore, Bradley, McCain, Bush) might win. They all seemed about the same in lots of ways. What we really needed was some respite from Clinton's own penchant for mischief. I liked Clinton. I remember that The New Yorker magazine asked me for my take on the Lewinsky scandal, and I said that on balance, in spite of the brouhaha, I still preferred a president who would make love, not war. Clinton was a flawed human being, that was evident, but he knew it. He never didn't know it. And he was always trying to make amends. But he was exhausting--or the media made him exhausting. I thought we were due for a rest.
Little did we know, of course, that the neocons thought we were due for a war. Thinktank gun-jockeys looking for a fight. Do they personally have some human qualities? Who cares. May they rot. At any rate, what I think happened is that when the Bush/Scowcroft/Baker faction decided to use Little George as their presidential poster boy to expand their Middle-East-based wealth and power, they didn't reckon with Cheney and Rumsfeld. They thought their boy would be personable and easy to control. The key moment was when Cheney went looking for a vice-presidential candidate and found himself. Once they had given him the opening and he had publicly used it to aggrandize himself and his agenda, B/S/B realized that for the sake of party solidarity, they had to live with it. When Baker engineered the coup that was Florida (and I do think one of the "perks" Bush offered as a candidate was that Florida was guaranteed ahead of time by Jeb and K. Harris), I think that B/S/B and C/R found themselves in an uneasy alliance--goals were the same, but temperaments were different. Right there at the pivot was Little George.
It's pretty clear that Little George requires a constant stream of flattery and cajolery to keep him going, and this was to be supplied by Harriet Miers, Karen Hughes, and Condi Rice. At the same time, his words (and ideas) were going to be supplied by Michael Gerson, who was his favorite speech writer for five or six years, a man who hides his unscrupulous neocon soul beneath a holier-than-thou, falsely modest self presentation. Christian soldier in every sense of the word, and someone who has largely escaped the contempt he deserves for the mess we are in. At the same time, Little George has a hard time with bad news, so he was never going be told the truth--he can't take the truth, as Jack Nicholson might say--this is evident in the famous 9/11 film of Bush reading about his pet goat when he gets news of the WTC. Talk about dumbstruck and unprepared and feckless and doltish! No, I don't think Little George planned the Trade Center attacks. If he had, he would have practiced a smarmy fake reaction, and he didn't.
But he did get a feel, just a little feel, right after the attacks, of what it might be like to lead the nation. He got a feel and he liked it, and for the purposes of the neocons, it was a good feel and it gave them something to build on in their plan to overcome the cautious side of his nature, represented by B/S/B. The neocons, as we know to our sorrow, never pay back anything they owe, except perhaps with betrayal, so even though B/S/B got them into office, they were never going to listen to B/S/B unless they absolutely had to.
How do you build yourself a madman? Well, first you flatter him, and then you try never to make him angry, and then you feed him ideas that flatter him even more by making him seem to himself sentimentally visionary and powerful and righteous. You appeal to his already evident mean streak and his hot temper by reminding him all the time that he has enemies, and you cultivate his religious side so that the sense of righteous victimization inherent in extreme religion comes out. If he were not already an ignorant, dependant, fragile, and rigid person, he would not be susceptible to this sort of conditioning, but by temperament and practice, he has nothing of his own to counter your efforts. Then you hire a few shyster-sycophants like John Yoo to tell him (ignorant as he is, with no actual understanding of the Constitution), that as president he can do whatever he wants.
So, here he is, Little George, caught between the devil (Cheney) and the deep blue sea (fifty-some years of being infantilized by B/S/B). Cheney and Rumsfeld, aided by Rice and Miers and Hughes, convince him that his masculinity will only be enhanced by doing all the masculine things he missed out on over the years, especially making war. And Gerson gives his war a virtuous, godly gloss. And Gerson's words come out of his mouth so often that he believes them and thinks they are his. In the meantime, Karl Rove continues to think that he is the maestro, playing Little George (and his base and the rest of the nation) like his own personal piano. Playing the president, for Rove, means enhancing LIttle George's actual dependency while encouraging him to think that he's the boss (allowing him to call you "Turdblossom", for example, and isn't it telling that "turd" seems to be Bush's favorite imprecation, rather than, say, "••••"?).
Bush is the worst possible president because he is simultaneously unusually ignorant for a president and unusually shallow, as well as desperate for a success he can call his own. I can see how in a certain sort of era--say an era of prosperity and world peace (can you think of one? I can't) an unusually ignorant and shallow man could bump along in the presidency for a few years without creating havoc and destruction, but these years didn't happen to be peaceful and prosperous, they happened to be delicate and dangerous. Clinton knew that, and he approached his compromising and self-contradictory foreign policy tasks with care. But Bush and his fellow boors were so blind that they adopted as their motto "anything but Clinton", sheer contrarianism and resentment. It wasn't enough to them for the US to be powerful, as it was in the Clinton years, or to be generally respected and appreciated--they wanted something more sensational--power they could feel, power that was erotic and fetishistic, power that was uncomfortable for others, power that would make them feel big by making others feel small, power that would show Clinton up. That's the tit Little George has been sucking for the last six years--the deluded propaganda of the neocons, addressed first to him and through him to the rest of us. What we saw the other night, when he proposed more war against more "foes" was the madman the last six years have created. This time, in his war against Iran, he doesn't even feel the need for minimal PR, as he did before attacking Iraq. All he is bothering with are signals--ships moving here, admirals moving there, consulates being raided in this other place. He no longer cares about the opinions of the voters, the Congress, the generals, the press, and he especially disdains the opinions of B/S/and B. Thanks to Gerson, he identifies his own little ideas with God (a blasphemy, of course, but hey, there's lots of precedent on this), so there's no telling what he will do. We can tell by the evidence of the last two months that whatever it is, it will be exactly the thing that the majority of the voters do not want him to do, exactly the thing that James Baker himself doesn't want him to do. The propaganda that Bush's sponsors and handlers have poured forth has ceased to persuade the voters but succeeded beyond all measure in convincing the man himself. He will tell himself that God is talking to him, or that he is possessed of an extra measure of courage, or he that he is simply compelled to do whatever it is. The soldiers will pay the price in blood. We will pay the price in money. The Iraqis will pay the price in horror. The Iranians will pay the price, possibly, in the almost unimaginable terror of nuclear attack. Probably, the Israelis will pay the price, too.
Little George isn't the same guy he was in 2000, the guy described by Gail Sheehy in her Vanity Fair profile--hyper-competitive and dyslexic, prone to cheat at games, always swinging between screwing up and making up, hating criticism and disagreement, careless of others but often charming. He is no longer the guy who the Republicans thought they could control (unlike, say, McCain). The small pathologies of Bush the candidate have, thanks to the purposes of the neocons and the religious right, been enhanced and upgraded. We have a bona fide madman now, who thinks of himself in a grandiose way as single-handedly turning the tide of history. Some of his Frankensteins have bailed, some haven't dared to, and others still seem to believe. His actions and his orders, especially about Iran, seem to be telling us that he will stop at nothing to prove his dominance. The elder Bush(es), Scrowcroft, Baker, and their friends, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gerson, and the neocons have made the monster and in the process endangered the country, the Constitution, and the world, not to mention the sanity of wretches like Jose Padilla (for an analysis of the real reason Gitmo continues to exist, see Dahlia Lithwick's article in Slate, here. Maybe the bums planned this mess for their own profit, or maybe they planned to profit without mess; maybe some of them regret what they have wrought. However, they all share the blame for whatever he does next.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Bubby
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well.........there you go again...you definitely have a Bush fixation.You absolutely adore the man.You can't stop writing or reading about him.I think you are a Bush Stalker... |
Jennifer03801
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You know what's even worse? You voted for him.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Jennifer03801
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And not just once but twice.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Jennifer03801
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I wonder who Jimbo and Shari voted for. I feel sure Jimbo wouldn't have voted for Kerry. Shari, well, she calls herself a Liberal Democrat but I have my doubts.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Jennifer03801
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Maybe she did a write in for the guy with the large cactus *private parts*.
(Message edited by jennifer03801 on January 16, 2007)
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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Bubby
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Leave the large *catus guy out of it...he just wants to have fun....a sticky situation indeed.I think Jimbo voted for Lincoln...
G'nite liddle dimmies of the world....
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Jennifer03801
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Sorry about that, Bub. I sent Shari my good spell checker. Figured she needed it more than I do.
See, I finally got it right, more or less.
(Message edited by jennifer03801 on January 16, 2007)
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mohandas Gandhi
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