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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 04:28 am: | 
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Opposing the Iraq War: Heroes of Resistance
By John Tirman, AlterNet. Posted March 13, 2007.
In the face of severe contempt and intimidation, a sizable number of Americans saw the charade for what it was and rued the oncoming disaster of war.
As we mark the fourth anniversary of Bush's catastrophic war in Iraq, a round of blaming is sure to ensue along with counts of U.S. soldiers killed and wounded, money spent, dreams dashed, and the like.
What we should also do is celebrate the people who opposed the war from the beginning. In the face of severe opprobrium and intimidation, a sizable number of Americans saw the charade for what it was and rued the oncoming disaster. They should be cheered, time and again.
It is easy to forget how brutally coercive the conventional wisdom was in the autumn of 2002 and winter of 2003. Even today, the supporters of the war, especially liberal hawks, insist that "no one" doubted that Saddam had nuclear or biological weapons, or that "no one" could have anticipated the chaos and mayhem to come. This is dead wrong. Many people warned of exactly such consequences. The predictions came from a broad spectrum of Americans, no less, from the old-fashioned conservatives of Papa Bush's circle to New Left veterans.
They were, of course, marginalized and in many cases accused of treason. Nowadays, those who were cheerleaders for the war want to join the ranks of the resisters, saying they were against this debacle all along.
Fortunately for us, there were many who genuinely opposed the war before it began, seeing clearly that war has unintended consequences, that it would involve enormous casualties, and that America would be widely loathed as a result. They took risks to do say these things, to organize protests and write Congress and attempt to get their voices heard. And they were absolutely correct in their vision. The invasion and occupation of Iraq may be the most colossal foreign policy disaster in American history.
There were too many, really, to fit into one article. Here are the ones I believe deserving. Readers should offer up their nominees, too.
1. The members of Congress who voted against the war resolution included 31 senators and 133 representatives. Six of those senators no longer serve, including the late Paul Wellstone. Among the notable Senate leaders who did cast a "nay" were Richard Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, and Carl Levin.
In the House, only six Republicans voted with the wise. Among the notables in opposition were Nancy Pelosi, Sherrod Brown (now a senator from Ohio), and Bernie Sanders (now a senator from Vermont).
2. The public intellectuals and activists who took a strong stand: Medea Benjamin, Howard Zinn, Tom Hayden, Jesse Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Leslie Cagan, John Cavannagh, Michael Klare, Scott Ritter, Ben Cohen, Jessica T. Mathews, Tom Andrews, James Carroll, and Jonathan Schell, just to start the list of honorees. Throw in the U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference and nearly every major religious organization to the left of the Christian Right.
3. Journalists who stood up: Molly Ivins, Katrina vanden Huevel, Don Hazen, Eric Alterman, Mark Danner, Paul Krugman, Katha Pollitt, Robert Scheer, and Colman McCarthy.
4. Academics: many in our universities spoke out, but, notably, the "neorealist" school of international relations scholars -- Steve Walt, Barry Posen, John Mersheimer, Steve Van Evera, and several others -- were prominent early in the debate. The highest accolades should go to Juan Cole, professor of history at Michigan, not only for his insightful opposition but the amazing blog he has kept up throughout -- as informative as anything we have.
5. Other prominent politicians and political advisers: Howard Dean, Al Gore, Brent Scowcroft, James Webb, Ralph Nader, Barack Obama, and Wesley Clark. This should be a litmus test for '08.
I know I'm leaving many deserving names out of this roster, but this brief reckoning is meant to begin a tribute of good judgment and values that were attuned to the enormous challenges of that long winter of deception.
This is not just idle self-congratulation. We need to understand why this fiasco occurred, and listening to the voices of those who opposed it for ethical and strategic reasons from the outset helps to unravel this puzzle. It is not that the war was prosecuted incompetently. The intelligent and courageous opposition to the war prior to its many misdeeds saw that the Iraq invasion would be wrong no matter how it proceeded.
So join in this little celebration. Maybe by doing so, these voices and others will be heard more clearly the next time around.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 02:07 pm: |
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"It appears we have appointed our worst generals to command forces, and our most gifted and brilliant to
edit newspapers! In fact, I discovered by reading newspapers that these editor/geniuses plainly saw
all my strategic defects from the start, yet failed to inform me until it was too late. Accordingly, I'm
readily willing to yield my command to these obviously superior intellects, and I'll, in turn, do
my best for the Cause by writing editorials - after the fact."
-Robert E. Lee, 1863
"If It Weren't For The United States Military, There Would Be NO United States of America"
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Aimstraight
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 04:19 pm: |
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Robert E. Lee -enjoyed |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 09:11 pm: |
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If it weren't for commander in chief Bush 3197 troops and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians would never have died in this disaster or a war. Their blood is on his hands and the hands of those who supported and continue to support the war.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:02 pm: |
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Shi-ites and Sunni's...Hatfield and McCoys...seems to me they are the ones doing all the killing.I never said I supported this war.I don't support any war.Your message is like sending a valentine message to our troops,but with divorce papers. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:07 pm: |
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Heroes of Resistance? Do you consider yourself a hero?.....and what makes you a hero? Have you ever donned a uniform and carried a rifle?What constitutes a hero in your eyes?Certainly not a person in uniform.Maybe its the editors of the Daily Breeze. |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 10:58 pm: |
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Mik3y
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 11:00 pm: |
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I whole heartedily agree ok be against the war in Iraq but don't point the finger in only one direction. The picture you paint is of a care bear village terrorised by a no mercy army. If only it were that clear the americans have the black hats and Iraq wears the white or vice versa. Well its not, mmmkay!
Michael william James
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Caprichos
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 11:02 pm: |
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"When the doors of perception are cleansed, man will see things as they truly are, infinite." -Sir William Blake
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 11:11 pm: |
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What color was this child's hat?
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 02:37 am: |
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You must love collecting these pictures of injured children.So which faction blew his arm off...The Sunni's or the Shi-ites? Odds are,it wasn't an American G.I. Send the troops another Valentine. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 02:38 am: |
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What constitutes a hero in your eye's? You consider that question bullshit? |
Mik3y
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 04:12 am: |
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There are pictures of blown up civillians and armed forces due to extremists bombing up local places. This of coz is all attributed to America invading Iraq though... narrow minded people think so anyways. Tit for tat because America invaded Iraq its justified for them to kill u.s soldiers and their own civillians?! hmm makes sense..not!
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 04:38 am: |
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It was the Shock and Awe faction that blew off both his arms, burned the skin from Ali's body and killed his father, pregnant mother, brother, aunt, three cousins and three other relatives. Shock and Awe, America's Valentine for the innocent children of Baghdad.
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Mik3y
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 10:23 pm: |
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Was this an american bomb or a bomb set by the Iraqi's which has been traced back to America under the principle that America invaded Iraq so everything is their fault?
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 03:00 am: |
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It was a U.S. missle fired by U.S. troops that blew off Ali's arms, burned the skin from his body and killed his father, pregnant mother, brother, aunt, three cousins and three other relatives.
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Mik3y
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 07:11 pm: |
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Why was it fired? Was this its intended target?
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 08:24 pm: |
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I’ve already explained that the “Shock and Awe” bombing of Baghdad was the cause of this child’s horrific injuries and the death of most of his family. Thousands of civilians, including children like Ali were killed, burned and dismembered during those bombings. How could you possibly not know that?
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Mik3y
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| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 05:26 pm: |
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That is not what i am asking!Shock and awe? if this explains it then i am out of the loop. What shock and awe? I'm asking why was this missile fired and was this its intended target?
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 08:34 pm: |
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The missile was fired as part of the “Shock and Awe” bombing of Baghdad:
“The US intends to shatter Iraq "physically, emotionally and psychologically" by raining down on its people as many as 800 cruise missiles in two days.
The Pentagon battle plan aims not only to crush Iraqi troops, but also wipe out power and water supplies in the capital, Baghdad.
It is based on a strategy known as "Shock and Awe", conceived at the National Defense University in Washington, in which between 300 and 400 cruise missiles would fall on Iraq each day for two consecutive days. It would be more than twice the number of missiles launched during the entire 40 days of the 1991 Gulf War.
The Target: Baghdad with its population of 5 million civilians which included 2 million plus babies and children.
"There will not be a safe place in Baghdad. The sheer size of this has never been seen before, never been contemplated before."
The Result:
"The death and dismemberment of thousands of Iraqi civilians, the destruction of water and electrical supplies, homes, shops, markets, schools, clinics, and hospitals."
“Religions are many and diverse, but reason and goodness are one” - Elbert Hubbard
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Trouble
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 10:33 pm: |
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mik3y, jennifer is rather passionate about this, she has done a lot of research, follows the events and policies around this war relentlessly. what i "know" about this war is only a single drop of water compared to the understanding she has. if you want to play along with your friends bubby and aimstreight, go right ahead, but keep in mind, there is a saying where i come from... "little dogs stay on the porch"... perhaps you should better educate yourself before engaging jennifer like that, just some advise.
personally, i dont have the stomach to butt-in on these posts and butt-heads with the unenlighted, but jennifer dont mind doing the hard work i guess... which i am greatful for. i always do enjoy the articals she posts, and i find them educational. keep up the resistence!
hey bubby, youre a christian right? is jesus your hero? did he ever wear a uniform? wage war?
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Caprichos
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| | Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 11:10 pm: |
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Hi Trouble,
I read your post.
How very wonderful Jennifer is filled with ammo and ready to shoot on target if need be.
As for Bub, we are Christians by the light of the lord's love. I may want to answer Jesus is all of our hero. Oh, yes, the big J.C. had to wear dried leather sandals and a long cassock this is all he had to wear when he walked in his Armor of God to different regions to spead the news of God.
The only war I would say he waged was at temple when he overturned the betting tables and alarmed all the people there...reminding us all...to respect money management and invest our resources in mutual funds for capitol gain. I know you didn't ask me these questions because Bubz is so busy with his bride. He's a special sweet lovin' guy taking good care of his special angel with heaven in her eyes she lights up his life.
B.I.B.L.E. = Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
~Capri~ 
Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Mik3y
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:58 am: |
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I ask questions so i can be educated..i am on no bandwagon to put jennifer down..i dont know where such an impression came from. I ask because i want to know all sides..i have seen extreme biasts for both sides. A person who doesn't question is either God or an idiot. Well thats a passing thought i had just then. Thankyou for the info Jennifer much appreciated.
Heh yeah i think the kind of war Jesus brought to the world could be compared in some ways at least to the war Socrates rages in plato's apology.
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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Username: Jennifer03801
| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 03:36 am: |
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"reminding us all...to respect money management and invest our resources in mutual funds for capitol gain."
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 04:55 am: |
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Everyone loves trouble...even my friend above
Everyone loves trouble...it's just misguided love
Bless you for your support of what you deem as an imperfect world....and for good reasons.Lady Cappy's son is a proud member of the USMC,and she is well versed in this war also.Little dogs stay on the porch because they know its irresponsible to stand in acidic rain, and clean your ear wax with silver nitrate.
Excuse me,my parking ticket has expired,and I must sully forth, before the Liberal meter maid shows up.ciao-ciao...leBub
WWJD with you?Probably love you. |
Trouble
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:05 am: |
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im sorry bubby, but i didnt understand a word you just said. let me redefine the question. do you consider jesus a personal hero? and if so why is that? i gather from the question you posed to jennifer that in your opinion heroes alway wear soldier uniforms and carry rifles.
myself, ive always considered martin luther king jr a personal hero. what he was able to do thru peaceful resistence was truely heroic. to put himself out there like... his sacrifice... and what he acomplished... yeah, thats a true hero.
i dont think war is heroic, you have to be brave, thats true enough, but to kill someone over an idea? thats not heroic, thats barbaric... just my opinion. |
Jennifer03801
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Username: Jennifer03801
| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 11:52 am: |
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I think Bubby's busy checking his mutual funds portfolio, Trouble. But prepare to duck and cover, I feel a Jimbo coming on. You think Bubby babbles? Just wait 'til you get whomped with a Jimbo "Bear in the Woods? 
Welcome to Hell, otherwise known as the Political forum. Nice to have you aboard.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 12:03 pm: |
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Let me define my answer to your ridiculous question.I don't discuss religion with non-believers...and yes Jenn,the political arena is HELL.I would love to mediate with my deus ex machina,but I really don't have the time for either one of you.So continue on with your rage.I have much better fish to fry,and just remember....God loves you... |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 01:17 pm: |
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 03:29 pm: |
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Impeachment As an Act of Patriotism
by Richard W. Behan
When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth, they will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest.
-- Anonymous
We the American people would not do what George Bush and Richard Cheney have done in Iraq, all of it in our name. We would not, for utterly fabricated reasons, invade and occupy a sovereign country without provocation, killing hundreds of thousands of its citizens, driving millions more from their homes as refugees, torturing prisoners, destroying the country’s economy and infrastructure, fomenting a vicious sectarian civil war, sacrificing 3,200 American lives, squandering half a trillion dollars, dangerously destabilizing the Middle East, blackening our country’s character, and defaming every American citizen.
We are not a devious, savage, and warlike people. With considerable merit we think of Americans as honest, decent, and law-abiding, generous, tolerant, and humane. And we are patriotic, devoted to our country and to its ideals of freedom, democracy, peace, justice, and honesty in government.
The huge disconnect between who we are and what our government is doing in Iraq is painfully apparent, and the gap is insuperable.
It is imperative, therefore, that we hold the President and Vice President accountable not only for breaking domestic and international laws, but for violating the ethical and institutional essence of America and the ideals of her people. To rescue our country’s elemental decency and to assure the security of its governing principles, it is our patriotic duty to impeach George Bush and Richard Cheney.
We consented to the invasion of Iraq because history told us we could trust our government to tell the truth. We were not naïve: the Vietnam war was also launched on a fabrication, but that was an aberration. We would not and did not expect it to be repeated. So we trusted and believed George Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell when they spoke to us. They said Saddam Hussein was complicit in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. They said he had terrifying weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them to our shores. They said he could soon trigger a nuclear device in our country, killing hundreds of thousands of American people.
None of this was true. It was propaganda, intentionally designed by the White House Iraq Group to mislead the Congress and the American people. That is fraud, and fraud is a crime. Given the magnitude at which it was practiced, and the epic consequences, few would disagree: it is a high crime and misdemeanor. We need to impeach Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, as Elizabeth de la Vega has written, not as a matter of politics but as a matter law.
More>
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0319-24.htm
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Mik3y
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 05:17 pm: |
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Interesting article i read in the daily telegraph yesterday the new leader of Iraq has openly said he wants Mr Howard to keep his troops there until a positively safe and secure environment is assured.
Iraq PM wants Diggers to stay
March 18, 2007 12:00am
IRAQ'S prime minister Nuri al-Maliki has urged Prime Minister John Howard to keep Australian troops in the country's south as long as necessary.
Mr Maliki plea contradicts Labor suggestions that the troops weren't really needed.
Mr Maliki said the Iraqi government wanted Australia to continue its support until terrorists no longer posed a threat.
Appearing with Mr Maliki in a joint press conference in Baghdad, Mr Howard said great progress was being achieved but there was still work to be done.
"I don't set speculative dates. There is nothing to be achieved by that," he said.
Mr Maliki praised Australia's long commitment to Iraq, including giving political asylum to those fleeing the former regime of Saddam Hussein.
"We still have a desire for Australia to remain and to continue its support until we are completely confident that the Iraqi operation, the planning, all the terrorist activities.... cease to exist and to strengthen Iraq," he said.
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 06:39 pm: |
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Third of Iraqi children now malnourished four years after US invasion
16 Mar 2007 15:10:23 GMT
Source: Caritas Internationalis
Vatican City – Caritas Internationalis and Caritas Iraq say that malnutrition rates have risen in Iraq from 19 percent before the US-led invasion to a national average of 28 percent four years later.
Caritas says that rising hunger has been caused by high levels of insecurity, collapsed healthcare and other infrastructure, increased polarisation between different sects and tribes, and rising poverty.
Over 11 percent of newborn babies are born underweight in Iraq today, compared with a figure of 4 percent in 2003. Before March 2003, Iraq already had significant infant mortality due to malnutrition because of the international sanctions regime.
Caritas Iraq has been running a series of Well Baby Clinics throughout the country. Currently it provides supplementary food for 8000 children up to 8 years and new mothers. The Caritas clinics help the most vulnerable, and the health crisis they face is much worse than the national average.
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Tess
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 07:03 pm: |
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I trust we are all being respectful of one another's views and opinions.
It would do my troubled heart good to come in here and see you all holding hands and singing Who Let the Dogs Out. Just a laughing and a joking!
Remember to always be kind to one another.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 08:07 pm: |
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and Lord,please don't let Hillary be our next prezzident....
gggrrrr woof woof woof....amen
Who let the dogs out??????
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 02:46 pm: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BScEP6t7Zaw&mode=related&search= |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 03:40 pm: |
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I don't get why you're posting that link in this thread, Bubby. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with the topic at all. But I did like the picture of the little boy and the dog. Which reminds me, to those you of who have pets, please check out this link about the pet food that's causing fatal kidney failure in cats and dogs. You'll see a box on the upper left hand corner where you can click on either dog food or cat food and get a list of all the brands that you need to be careful of.
http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
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Trouble
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 07:19 pm: |
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was the question "ridiculous" when you asked it? if you dont want to share any info about the question with me in regards to religion, thats fair, ill back off. but it seems to me that you imply that one can only be a hero if they wear a military uniform a carry a rifle. thats fine if you do, youre entitle to believe whatever you like. i was just wondering if that is if fact what you believe. it just seesms strange to me that so many christians (not all mine you) who claim to follow his ideals are also very eager to strike out and seek vengence. seems like a contradition to me. so i was just wondering is all.
its just a question, nobody is in a rage, as you put it. i shared my view, thought youd like to do the same |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 08:04 pm: |
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I was just responding to Tess's wish to let the dogs out.As for trouble,have you ever donned a uniform and served your country?Probably not,but then you could be a hero by helping a little old lady across the street(unless you planned on mugging her)I'm not implying that to be a hero,you have to be in uniform.You arrived at that conclusion from a question I asked Jenn.Not all christians are eager for revenge,that's conjecture on your part.Do you consider Muslims as religious fanatics? Do you think they strike out in vengence? What's the difference of condeming muslims for the same thing the christians are accused of? I'll answer those questions for you...because it's politically incorrect to ask such questions!! It's okay to condemn christians,just don't condemn muslims...or the ACLU and CAIR will jump in your face.It's the American Socialist way.Gotta run,have fun,don't use a gun... |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 10:26 pm: |
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I think Tess will be very disappointed to see you've posted a link to a racist video, Bubby. Your Islamophobia is clouding your judgement. You're not only hurting innocent people of the Muslim faith who post or read on this site when you post things like that, you're also disrespecting the wishes of both Albert and Tess who've asked over and over that we respect the religious beliefs of others.
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Mik3y
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 04:17 am: |
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I havent clicked the link so no idea. I am curious about your thoughts on what the head of Iraq has said in regards to prolonging Australian troops in Iraq though...
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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Username: Jennifer03801
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:07 am: |
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Not sure if you’re asking me, Michael, but I’ll give you my answer anyway.
As there are more than 300,000 Iraq Security Forces and 150,000 American /coalition troops now operating in Iraq and there‘s no "positively safe and secure environment", I seriously doubt it makes much difference whether or not Australia’s 1,400 troops stay or leave. Also, since something like 70% of Iraqi’s believe foreign troop presence is provoking more conflict and want our troops out of their country, seems to me Maliki’s statement doesn’t reflect the will of the majority of the Iraqi people.
What do you think, Michael?
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 08:34 am: |
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Humor is rampant and unbridled.Remember Lenny Bruce?When you outlaw humor,only outlaws will have it...humor falls under the free speach amendment.I'm sure you would have no problem if they were ridiculing christians.If it's their message that offended you,call your local ACLU. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 09:07 am: |
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http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=LQPEsa5e7K0&mode+=related&search |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 10:10 am: |
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I fear many on this site would be shocked to learn that you think racism is "humorous", Bubby.
Thanks, but no thanks. Don't think I'll be clicking more of your links. You just don't seem to understand the difference between free speech and hate speech. Got more than my fill of the latter in your first link.
(Message edited by jennifer03801 on March 21, 2007)
“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Gandhi
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 11:30 am: |
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Humor has no boundary line.Racist remarks are made constantly in the political arena,the comedy arena,the sports arena,and everyday life. If a conservative makes a racist remark,he is villified,crucified,hog-tied and fired. If a Liberal makes a racist comment,there is a small squeek and all is forgiven.Therein lies your problem.Like I said, if the monolog had been about christians,you wouldn't have said a word.
I fear many on this site still HAS a sense of humor.Something you seem to lack.
Do you consider it most appropriate when Muslims around the world are chanting :"Death to America"??? I see you haven't complained about that.You probably couldn't agree with them more.
Has anyone died from smiling,laughing,or chuckling??? I doubt it.That type of comedy has been around before you were born,and will be around long after you are gone...and as far as free speech vs hate speech....all you need to do is listen to your local politicians.
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 02:57 pm: |
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Give it up, Bubby. When you’re in a hole, stop digging. Racism is ignorance.
After all, the Shoah did not start with ovens. It began with words of hate. - M.J. Rosenberg
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 03:31 pm: |
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Man Who Toppled Hussein Statue Has Regrets
by Robert Scheer
Yep, you did it, George—mission impossible accomplished. Unbelievably, four years of a bungled occupation have managed to make Saddam Hussein’s tyranny look good in comparison with “liberated Iraq.”
At least, that is the view of the Iraqi weightlifter made famous through a video of him taking a sledgehammer to Saddam Hussein’s statue. “I really regret bringing down the statue,” Kadhim al-Jubouri said on British television this week. “The Americans are worse than the dictatorship. Every day is worse than the previous day.”
That’s the judgment of a man who spent nine years in Hussein’s jails, and, unfortunately, it is one shared by a majority of his countrymen, according to an authoritative poll sponsored jointly by ABC, BBC and USA Today: Only 38 percent of Iraqis believe that the country is better off today than under Hussein, while nearly four out of five oppose the presence of coalition forces in Iraq.
Even more disturbing is that 51 percent of Iraqis think it is OK to attack coalition troops—triple the number that thought that way in a 2004 survey. Square that with our president’s assurances, offered since the first month of this unnecessary adventure, that the insurgency represents a small handful of terrorists. While most of the antipathy is registered among Sunnis, 94 percent of whom favor attacks on coalition forces, and by only 7 percent of Kurds, a surprising 35 percent of Shiites endorse that sort of violence.
Given the number of Kurds and Shiites who originally welcomed the invasion, it is also startling that 53 percent of all Iraqis polled agreed that “from today’s perspective, and all things considered,” it was “wrong that U.S.-led coalition forces invaded Iraq in spring 2003.”
The poll, part of a series conducted each of the past three years at great risk to 150 pollsters, reveals a sharp rise in anti-American feeling and disapproval of the 2003 invasion.
When Bush didn’t find any weapons of mass destruction or ties between Saddam and 9/11, the fallback justification for the taking of tens of thousands of lives and the expenditure of over $400 billion in American taxpayer money was that Iraq would become a model for the democratic, free-market way of life. Many assumed the richest, most powerful and most technologically competent country in the world could improve life for Iraqis compared with that afforded by a vicious dictator hemmed in by international boycotts. But it didn’t happen.
What Bush has managed to do is to place the United States in a no-win position as the most likely target for failed Iraqi expectations, which he did so much to raise. He is asking Iraqis to take his word for it that the invasion was not post-9/11 posturing or a grab for oil or a blow undertaken on behalf of Israel, yet he has nothing tangible to show as proof of his sincerity.
Almost four in five of those Iraqis polled called the availability of jobs “bad,” 88 percent had the same negative judgment of the supply of electricity, and 69 percent said the same about the availability of clean water and medical care. In this nation, gifted with the world’s second-largest oil reserves, 88 percent termed the availability of fuel for cooking and driving as quite bad.
Of course, the coffers of a handful of American mercenary, construction and energy corporations have swelled, despite this lack of credible achievement. More than $20 billion in “reconstruction” contracts were given to Vice President Dick Cheney’s old company, Halliburton, alone.
The easy answer provided by Bush apologists for this dismal performance is to place blame on the insurgency. That, however, is not the verdict of the Iraqi people. Asked to judge how the United States and other coalition forces have carried out their responsibilities in Iraq, 76 percent say they have done “a bad job.” And while a modest majority don’t want the Americans to leave “immediately,” they don’t see the increase in the U.S. troop numbers, defended stoutly by Bush on Monday, as helpful. Truly, this is a lose-lose situation.
Asked the source of violence that had occurred near the polled individual’s neighborhood, the largest group, more than 44 percent, cited “unnecessary violence against citizens by U.S. or coalition forces,” while four out of 10 said they blame the coalition forces or Bush for “the most for the violence that is occurring in the country”—and only 18 percent cited “al-Qaida and foreign jihads.” So much for Bush’s claim that U.S. troops are needed in Iraq to protect its citizens from foreign terrorists.
Surprisingly, while 82 percent lacked confidence in coalition troops, two-thirds of those polled expressed confidence in their own army and police forces—yet more indication that Iraqis could do a better job of policing themselves than we can. Our continued presence there, ostensibly in the name of fixing the place, will only continue to exacerbate anti-U.S. sentiment among the people we claim to be saving.
After all, the Shoah did not start with ovens. It began with words of hate. - M.J. Rosenberg
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 05:09 pm: |
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Racism is ignorance?..according to Webster,it means:...a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others....(although I don't agree with that last part) I don't see the word ignorance inserted in that definition....although ignorance is found throughout the dictionary.So it must be your conlusion based on extensive research.I bet you could sell a lot of bumper stickers with that catchy phrase.
Is it ignorant racism when the Muslims chant:"Death to America"?....ooohhh darn...let me re-think that question.I know you don't recognize that as such.Maybe I could rephrase that in Spanish?It seems you are the only one with a shovel,so keep on shoveling it.I have to go pull some racist weeds that are threatening to overthrow my lawn.You probably think anyone that disagree's with you is a racist,biased ingrate.C'est la vie...go topple another statue.. |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:02 pm: |
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If that video had mocked Christians or Jews, would it still have been ok, Bubby? Would you have posted the link and referred to it as being "humorous". Take a good look in the mirror, your double standard is showing.
After all, the Shoah did not start with ovens. It began with words of hate. - M.J. Rosenberg
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:26 pm: |
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You need a nap...your double standard has been obvious for months now.Is it ignorant racism when the Muslims chant:"Death to America"?....Now you are quoting a jewish Director ?You've been ripping Israel for months,and now you are quoting MJ Rosenberg?
Is your double standard showing? Have you ever watched "Saturday Night Live"? Does the term: "stick in the mud" mean anything to you
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:28 pm: |
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:28 pm: |
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If that video had mocked Christians or Jews, would it still have been ok, Bubby? Would you have posted the link and referred to it as being "humorous"?
After all, the Shoah did not start with ovens. It began with words of hate. - M.J. Rosenberg
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Tess
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:36 pm: |
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I can see a group hug is not going to break out any time soon here.
But if it should, I want photos!
Tess
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 06:41 pm: |
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Hi Tessie,bring your stick and jump in the mud.She doesn't answer my questions and I don't answer hers...so join right in and bring your
doggies.I remember Jeep.Is he still around? Jeep would always give you a hug...Woof woof |
Trouble
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 08:40 pm: |
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to answer your questions bubby...
no, i have never served in any military.
no, not conjecture, i clearly stated (in parenthisis even) that not all christians crave revenge thru violence, just the majority that i have spoken to.
and yes, i have issues with anyone, christian, islamic, or otherwise, who wish to seek violent revenge on anyone.
im just trying to understand your point of view bubby, your comments in this postings are always so cryptic, hard to know what you mean or dont mean.
if i remember correctly, you served in vietnam, is that right? i remember you once "thumped" me for using the word "rifle" in a poem about war, you said something to the likes of real soldiers never call their rifles rifles, they call them weapons.
i have another question for you, if you dont mind. what is victory in iraq? what conditions must be established before we can say yes, our mission is finished here. when will the time be right to pull american troops from iraq? |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 09:40 pm: |
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I don't recall thumping you about using the term rifles,and as far as what is victory in Iraq is concerned,and when will be the right time to pull the troops out....your guess is as good as any congressman can come up with.I don't see anyone coming up with the answers you would like to hear.Senator Hillary Clinton (last week in the New York Times)said that we should not leave Iraq.Check it out. |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 05:01 am: |
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Clinton Says Some G.I.’s in Iraq Would Remain
Mrs. Clinton has said she would vote for a proposed Democratic resolution on Iraq now being debated on the floor of the Senate, which sets a goal of withdrawing combat forces by March 31, 2008. Asked if her plan was consistent with the resolution, Mrs. Clinton and her advisers said it was, noting that the resolution also called for “a limited number” of troops to stay in Iraq to protect the American Embassy and other personnel, train and equip Iraqi forces, and conduct “targeted counterterrorism operations.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/washington/15clinton.html
If a parody mocks and belittles Christians or Jews would you call it "humorous"?
After all, the Shoah did not start with ovens. It began with words of hate. - M.J. Rosenberg
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 05:25 am: |
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She said in the interview that there were “remaining vital national security interests in Iraq” that would require a continuing deployment of American troops.
The United States’ security would be undermined if parts of Iraq turned into a failed state “that serves as a petri dish for insurgents and Al Qaeda,” she said. “It is right in the heart of the oil region,” she said. “It is directly in opposition to our interests, to the interests of regimes, to Israel’s interests.”
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 05:42 am: |
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If you vote for me,I'll bring back all the white house stuff we stole and I'll take all the profits away from the big corporations.I need the money for Bill to continue seeing his girlfriend up in Canada every Tuesday
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Caprichos
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 05:55 am: |
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Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 08:49 am: |
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Real men discuss the issues, girly men post gossip. But I do like the pic of Clinton, makes her look very presidential.
If a parody mocks and belittles Christians or Jews would you call it "humorous"?
After all, the Shoah did not start with ovens. It began with words of hate. - M.J. Rosenberg
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 09:10 am: |
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So wheres Lewis? |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 09:50 am: |
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Lewis who or who Lewis?
(((hugs))) for Bubs (for Tess)
If a parody mocks and belittles Christians or Jews would you call it "humorous"?
Real men discuss the issues, girly men post gossip.
After all, the Shoah did not start with ovens. It began with words of hate. - M.J. Rosenberg
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Trouble
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 09:26 pm: |
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ok. let me clarify again. rather than focusing on "when" lets think about "what". WHAT is victory in iraq? WHAT conditions must exist in order for the "mission" to conclude? that is the question i am asking. i hear this administration talking about the consequences of failure, so my question is "what is suscess"?
i am guessing that this administration, and those in favor of this war do have some idea on the identity of the mysterious substance known as "victory in iraq" (?) |
Caprichos
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| | Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 09:57 pm: |
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America went into Iraq under 'false pretenses', Saddam Hussein has been dethrown and is now expired, Iraq is in a Civil War with American Troops helping the Shia's learn to fight and share military installations, Success was to capture Saddam Hussein for having 'fabricated' weapon of mass destruction and for having used chemical weapons tested on his own people. Our troops should come home. They've done their job. Let the Iraquis fend for themselves. America is not a global police headquarters, however, our President Bush likes the smell of oil and our troops are there because Bush needs someone to babysit the oil refineries for him and his family. Step two: Saddam Hussein did not attack America on September 11, 2001. Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda were clearly responsible for the four attacks that day. Where is Osama Bin Laden?? Does anyone know?? He is the one who should have been captured by now. I guess he is on an Island somewhere soaking up the sun and drinking exotic drinks while using his lap top to communicate with his followers. You ask victory in Iraq? So far, there has been Victory in protecting our homeland security. The war is over there and not here at home. Still, our guys and gals are there policing a civil war they have no business with. They have done their job quite well. BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!
Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Mik3y
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I have issues with anyone who seeks violence as an answer..i won't discriminate. Racism is soo not kool! I don't know a great deal about the iraqi prime minster jenn but i have a feeling it might be in his best interest to protect himself and his position by having all the more troops the better. Whether this is democracy a true "representative" of the people or not..we'll see.
Michael william James
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 08:48 pm: |
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From what I’ve read, Michael, Maliki is viewed by the Iraqis as a puppet of the occupying forces rather than as a representative of the Iraqi people. Yep, no doubt he wants the troops to stay. Maliki and his family live in the relative safety of green zone. Without the protection of our troops, he’d be a dead man for sure.
Total Fatalities - 3,234 Total Wounded - 23,417
Diseases Medical Air Transport Required - 18,704
Total Medical Air Transported - 32,544
Total Non-Mortal Casualties - 54,910
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Trouble
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:20 pm: |
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thank you caprichos. anybody else what to take a stab at it? bubby? the floor is yours.
while i can understand what you are saying caprichos, i dont know, i have some concerns. how or why we ended up at war in this country is important, with all the lies and misinformation and all, and we certainly need to learn from this mistake, i dont think we can just write it off just yet. we really did cause this instability, we "pre-empted" it, it is our responsibility. we chose to find this war over "there" so we woundnt have to fight it "here". we put others in harms way so that we could feel safe. these poeple have suffered for our ideas, not their own. i dont think its right for us to just walk away.
on the other hand, i have to agree with most, i dont think there is a military solution. training iraqi troops? providing temporary security? yeah, ok, but i dont these these poeple trust us very much, i fear their resistance to us will continue to grow regardless to our military efforts.
maybe the key is infrastructure. what is the point of creating a government, any kind of government, when all that remains to be governmed over tilts on the verge of chaos and waste. now, if we were to aid more in this respect, encourage and enable iraqis to rebuild iraq (rather than american contractors), if we spent more money on hammers and nails than bombs bullets and body bags, i dont know... maybe thats a better way to get out of iraq.
we saw what happened (and still happening) in afghanistan. we promised them a lot in the way of rebuilding and aid, and fell thru. hostilities had continued to rise, the taliban is regaining strength and numbers... the discontent in that country is an obvious result of the role we played in the post-war recover, or rather, the role we didnt play.
thats just my opinion, whats yours? |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:22 pm: |
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What will our troops do if they are defunded by congress?
As Gunny Highway would say .... "Improvise, Adapt and Overcome"
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:24 pm: |
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Defunded again..
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:26 pm: |
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and again..
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:28 pm: |
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and again..
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:31 pm: |
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watch out...here comes another missile supplied by congress...hoooooya!!
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Caprichos
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| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:20 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
I concur with your statement.
I feel we should be sending troops and our special forces to Afghanistan and Africa to capture the main culprit. Osama Bin Laden.
I have two sons serving in the Armed Forces. They went to college and then surprised me by letting me know they had joined the military.
I love and miss my boys very much. Yet, I know they have a duty to perform for their Commander in Chief. I look to the moon each night and then close my eyes to see them thinking they just might be looking at the moon too. My sons joined during wartime because they know Osama Bin Laden must be captured. We come from a military family.
I feel it's the American thing to do...to have our young men serve their tour od duty and then go home. From the Revolutionary War to The War On Terrorism, American blood has been shed for you for me for all of America. Notice I didn't say women. I do not know how a female does it, but, hey, more power to those women who are in Iraq protecting our homeland security. I, for one, know in my heart, I couldn't do it. I am too feminine though I am stubborn and know when there's a will there is certainly a way.
Most of our troops do want to come home, however, on the other hand, they want to capture Osama Bin Laden so bad they can taste it. They are receiving mixed signals from home. Does America support them? Oh, but, wait...they say...why do you want to cut funds? Hey! We are out here in the desert in Iraq and we need supplies...oh, but what did you say? That if funds are cut troops will be able to come home sooner? NO WAY!! That is NOT going to happen, baby! Our soldiers want to get the job done feeling satisfied and then get the helloutof Dodge City. We can't blame them for feeling this way. If we are going to support our troops.....WE NEED TO SUPPORT THIS WAR. However, this is a catch-22! They guys are out still in Iraq after successfully capturing Saddam Hussein. President Bush went after Saddam only to appease his daddy. Things his daddy didn't get to finish while he was in office. Such as expiring Saddam Hussein.
This is a war on terrorism as you all well know. Al Queda is growing strong each day. It seems all the world kicks back while America sacrifices their Armed Forces. We need to keep troops abroad because of homeland security.
America nor the world is never going to be the same because of terrorism! Hullo!?!
I feel our troops should come home in small increments. Those few Americans soldiers who remain in Iraq will face HELL.
I'm upset the way the Govt. is treating our soldiers who come home wounded, disabled; etc., They have to pay 20% of their medical bill. The Govt. pays only 80%, thus, leaving our wounded stuck with an astronomical medical bill. If we as Americans pay our taxes we should see to it that our soldiers get 100% medical insurance. They sacrificed their life for us...I just can't believe the Govt. is playing our soldiers this way.
***Bubby, I asked to please not post pictures of my sons! )
This war on terrorism is only the beginning.
More or less, don't throw caution to the wind because it's too late. WWIII will be here soon.
We are only escalating for the time being.
It's the children who suffer the most both here in America and in Iraq.
Thank you for replying, Michael. You are most kind.
Cordially,
Capri
 
Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 05:57 am: |
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Trouble
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 09:29 am: |
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who is michael? |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 09:45 am: |
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Maybe he's Lewis who's brother? |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:34 am: |
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Who is Trouble?Who is Jenn? Who is who? Will real peope step forward instead of hiding behind phony pen names? Never happen! |
Piddledorf
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 01:02 pm: |
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PHONEY PEN NAME???
WHAT PHONEY PEN NAME???
Will the real Bubby PLEASE STAND UP???
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 01:38 pm: |
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Here I am Jeri Berry......warts and all...in person.One night only.For your entertainment purposes...and what does Jenn and Trouble look like???Just words on a monitor?
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Caprichos
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 04:21 pm: |
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Who be Michael? Michael be YOU 'trouble in the jungle'.....as per our convo, i.e.; Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:20 pm:
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thank you caprichos. anybody else what to take a stab at it? bubby? the floor is yours.
while i can understand what you are saying caprichos, etc, etc, etc.,
Here's my picture Bubbilito since you didn't need to ask me! Have your nephew send more pictures of my sons in flight suits this time around, will ya? I know by defunding red tape will be altered and tasks will be performed expediently. How about a hot air balloon with two pilots in it? This would be very cool. lol.
Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 07:20 pm: |
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Aye she wow wow...Lady Capito..ah doan kneeds da floor.Ah juss woan peekchures ub who eye tawking to,but day so ashame ub whad dey look lak,day doan woan tu poot dare peekchure in heer...
aiiiiiee....caramba...eye lak chew peekcure on da fone,and jure eyedear of da hawt air babboons...
Hasta la waygo chiquita taco...
Don Bubbilito de la Torrez e Martinez Cortizone
Fish Burrito de Leone
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Caprichos
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 07:38 pm: |
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Si, si, Don Bubbilito Carinito El del Taco Burrito de Carne Asada con Chile Verde y con queso amigo mio!
Aye she wow wow! Mee nose chew eswands sum peekchures butt thay too shikin or maybee two ughlee. lol. Lady Cappita mas maja y tan bella y hermosa de la estrellas del mar y la luna tan romantica. juanna no sumtheeng? i hab anuthur peekchure if chew juanna c et.
en now fore chore inturdamet...
 Note: we shood sapordt Mikey wid hissa glowbowl warmeeng.
Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Jennifer03801
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Jennifer03801
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Opposing the Iraq War: Heroes of Resistance
By John Tirman, AlterNet. Posted March 13, 2007.
In the face of severe contempt and intimidation, a sizable number of Americans saw the charade for what it was and rued the oncoming disaster of war.
As we mark the fourth anniversary of Bush's catastrophic war in Iraq, a round of blaming is sure to ensue along with counts of U.S. soldiers killed and wounded, money spent, dreams dashed, and the like.
What we should also do is celebrate the people who opposed the war from the beginning. In the face of severe opprobrium and intimidation, a sizable number of Americans saw the charade for what it was and rued the oncoming disaster. They should be cheered, time and again.
It is easy to forget how brutally coercive the conventional wisdom was in the autumn of 2002 and winter of 2003. Even today, the supporters of the war, especially liberal hawks, insist that "no one" doubted that Saddam had nuclear or biological weapons, or that "no one" could have anticipated the chaos and mayhem to come. This is dead wrong. Many people warned of exactly such consequences. The predictions came from a broad spectrum of Americans, no less, from the old-fashioned conservatives of Papa Bush's circle to New Left veterans.
They were, of course, marginalized and in many cases accused of treason. Nowadays, those who were cheerleaders for the war want to join the ranks of the resisters, saying they were against this debacle all along.
Fortunately for us, there were many who genuinely opposed the war before it began, seeing clearly that war has unintended consequences, that it would involve enormous casualties, and that America would be widely loathed as a result. They took risks to do say these things, to organize protests and write Congress and attempt to get their voices heard. And they were absolutely correct in their vision. The invasion and occupation of Iraq may be the most colossal foreign policy disaster in American history.
There were too many, really, to fit into one article. Here are the ones I believe deserving. Readers should offer up their nominees, too.
1. The members of Congress who voted against the war resolution included 31 senators and 133 representatives. Six of those senators no longer serve, including the late Paul Wellstone. Among the notable Senate leaders who did cast a "nay" were Richard Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, and Carl Levin.
In the House, only six Republicans voted with the wise. Among the notables in opposition were Nancy Pelosi, Sherrod Brown (now a senator from Ohio), and Bernie Sanders (now a senator from Vermont).
2. The public intellectuals and activists who took a strong stand: Medea Benjamin, Howard Zinn, Tom Hayden, Jesse Jackson, Noam Chomsky, Leslie Cagan, John Cavannagh, Michael Klare, Scott Ritter, Ben Cohen, Jessica T. Mathews, Tom Andrews, James Carroll, and Jonathan Schell, just to start the list of honorees. Throw in the U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference and nearly every major religious organization to the left of the Christian Right.
3. Journalists who stood up: Molly Ivins, Katrina vanden Huevel, Don Hazen, Eric Alterman, Mark Danner, Paul Krugman, Katha Pollitt, Robert Scheer, and Colman McCarthy.
4. Academics: many in our universities spoke out, but, notably, the "neorealist" school of international relations scholars -- Steve Walt, Barry Posen, John Mersheimer, Steve Van Evera, and several others -- were prominent early in the debate. The highest accolades should go to Juan Cole, professor of history at Michigan, not only for his insightful opposition but the amazing blog he has kept up throughout -- as informative as anything we have.
5. Other prominent politicians and political advisers: Howard Dean, Al Gore, Brent Scowcroft, James Webb, Ralph Nader, Barack Obama, and Wesley Clark. This should be a litmus test for '08.
I know I'm leaving many deserving names out of this roster, but this brief reckoning is meant to begin a tribute of good judgment and values that were attuned to the enormous challenges of that long winter of deception.
This is not just idle self-congratulation. We need to understand why this fiasco occurred, and listening to the voices of those who opposed it for ethical and strategic reasons from the outset helps to unravel this puzzle. It is not that the war was prosecuted incompetently. The intelligent and courageous opposition to the war prior to its many misdeeds saw that the Iraq invasion would be wrong no matter how it proceeded.
So join in this little celebration. Maybe by doing so, these voices and others will be heard more clearly the next time around.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 08:10 pm: |
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Bubby
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Bubby
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Bubby
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Bubby
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 08:28 pm: |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Bush.
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 08:29 pm: |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Bush
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 08:34 pm: |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Bush.
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 08:40 pm: |
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Thank you very much, Mr. Bush
Total Fatalities - 3,236 Total Wounded - 23,417
Diseases Medical Air Transport Required - 18,704
Total Medical Air Transported - 32,544
Total Non-Mortal Casualties - 54,910 |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 09:45 pm: |
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Drive by media Jenn...if it bleeds it reads...I'll bet you have a scrapbook full of those pictures.
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 09:46 pm: |
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 09:48 pm: |
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You would never consider posting a picture like the last one...would you? Of course not!! Theres no blood on her face. |
Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:24 pm: |
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This is what I'd never post:
"Mee nose chew eswands sum peekchures butt thay too shikin or maybee two ughlee. lol."
"Ah juss woan peekchures ub who eye tawking to,but day so ashame ub whad dey look lak,day doan woan tu poot dare peekchure in heer...
aiiiiiee....caramba...eye lak chew peekcure on da fone,and jure eyedear of da hawt air babboons"
And I'd never post a link to a racist video either.
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Bubby
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We can't help it if you dont comprende humor either....lets go back to the stick in the mud picture. Lady Cappy and I converse in fractured spanish frequently.It's called California humor...but then again,I'm sure you don't have a concept of humor ....and just who are you anyway?
Juss a konsurned cityzen?Chew got no peekchure?
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Caprichos
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Good for you, Jennifer. Hey everyone, let's give Jennifer a big 'round of applause! *E-yee-A*
Nobody asked YOU what you'd never post. But, being you did, well, we should all give you praise.
On the other hand, clearly, everyone can see Sir Bubby and I were merely having fun being we are related and are cousins.
Sir Bubby posted nothing more than a scene from "Saturday Night Live". SNL has been on the air for so long and I've never heard anyone ranting and raving about any lawsuits towards their program because they know how to have fun and that's all it is FUN...smile, Jennifer.
I'll be sure to add you to my prayer list, Jen.
Lord knows how much we both pray each night and we never ever want to harm or hurt anyone. Life is too short.
Oh, and before I leave, I want to let you know you made my stomach cringe each time you humiliated that poor young child by posting his picture over and over again. Lord have mercy!
Let the boy rest in peace. See, this is what is so wrong with the media today. Especially when Saddam Hussein was put to death...the news showed the same clip shots repetively.
mmm...mmmm...mmmm...mercy me.
Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 10:59 pm: |
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I believe she said she wanted some peekchures,comprende???...
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Jennifer03801
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:06 pm: |
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What you can't seem to comprehend is that racism is never, ever "humorous" or "funny" and it certainly does "harm and hurt".
Just so you'll never forget what happened to thousands of innocent Iraqi children like Ali
and thousands of our own troops
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Jennifer03801
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Oh, sorry, I forgot. (((Hugs))) to both of you and Good Night. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:22 pm: |
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I knew you wanted to post that young boys picture one more time.How about ten more times.I'm sure HE would appreciate it.If it bleeds it reads...repetitive pictures provided by MS.Anonymous from Lord knows where.I bet I know who she is .....its the one and only...
well...maybe not...
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Caprichos
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| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:35 pm: |
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Evidently, Jennifer, you must 'get off' on posting this picture of the wounded boy.
How can either Sir Bubby and I forget what's happened to thousand's of children over there when Sir Bubby experienced war at first hand?
This is SO ridulous, Jennifer. I mean, really, c'mon!?! I come from a military family myself.
I pray each night for ALL our troops abroad and stateside and everyone (including you) because this world is at the end of the rope.
My two sons joined the military during wartime, Jennifer. How can you Arse-sume I wouldn't care for our war veteran's? I go to the VA hospital right across the street from Duke University and occasionally visit there to give thanks and praise to them.
Just yesterday, I met a 92-year old man who joined the USMC in 1935. He proudly wore his Purple Heart and his Medal of Honor over his shirt and tie.
It's like you want everything to be YOUR way.
Then you should have it YOUR way. I think Burger King would be most beneficial to you at this time.
I dislike killing, I dislike war, I dislike our troops suffering overseas, I dislike the fact America has not caught Osama Bin Laden. We are all human. We come from the same soul group no matter what you say different about this.
Anyhoo, I think I will give my cuzin a ringy on the telly fone and a hab a goode discushcion.
Oh, I forgot, ((hugs)) (Tess, I know you are so very fond of group hugs. Also, Tess, that picture of the wounded boy really makes my stomach cringe. It almost feels as if I have to walk through the Holocaust Museum and see what Hitler did to all the innocent people over and over again. I wish you would ask Jennifer to remove that one picture because lord knows our prayers go up every single night).
 Cousin's Bubz & Capri. Nite.
Love the art, poor as it may be, which thou hast learned, and be content with it; and pass through the rest of life like one who has intrusted to the gods with his whole soul all that he has, making thyself neither the tyrant nor the slave of any man. -Marcus Arelius
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Trouble
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sorry, i wasnt sure who you were talking to. my name isnt micheal, my name is ziggy. not sure why a picture is important, but if you need to see one its in my profile.
what is victory bubby? or do you actually know? why do i get the impression youre just another dittohead? surely there is some reason why you need more bombs and bullets and what-not. what is victory in iraq? i dare you to articulate... if you can |
Aimstraight
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Character matters; leadership descends from character.
Rush Limbaugh
Compassion is no substitute for justice.
Rush Limbaugh
Enraging liberals is simply one of the more enjoyable side effects of my wisdom.
Rush Limbaugh
Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.
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I must be honest. I can only read so many paragraphs of a New York Times story before I puke.
Rush Limbaugh
The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit.
Rush Limbaugh
The Los Angeles riots were not caused by the Rodney King verdict. The Los Angeles riots were caused by rioters.
Rush Limbaugh
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Jennifer03801
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Zig, Bubby’s off for a while, his wife is in the hospital. I’m sure he’d be most appreciative of prayers and/or positive thoughts.
Capri, I wasn’t going to come back to this thread as it was hijacked and turned into a.... well, that’s history. Anyway, after reading your last post, just wanted to make one final comment to you. I’m sorry seeing Ali’s picture makes your “stomach cringe”. It breaks my heart every time I look at it. Your stomach cringes, my heart breaks - perhaps we really don't come from of the same “soul group”. No, I don’t “get off” by posting that picture. The reason I post it is so that none of us will ever forget what Bush did to the innocent people of Iraq, especially the children. And by remembering, hopefully, we’ll never again blindly follow our commander in chief and commit similar atrocities.
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