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Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 06:57 am: | 
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Tell me again why you voted for this maniac.. |
C_steven_blue
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Username: C_steven_blue
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 09:23 am: |
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Sorry to chime it, Bubby. Why are you calling him a maniac? It seems to me, with all the pressure put on him to fix all of the problems the previous administration created and/or left us with, especially the collapse of our economy, he has accomplished an awful lot in the first year, given the absolute obstuctionist attitude of the opposing party... Steven :-)} |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 10:02 pm: |
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Yup....Bush blamers arise...heres the other side of the fence..Liberals take no blame for anything.They are complete angels...
Barack Obama, America’s Selective Salary Policeman
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2010
President Obama spoke the most revealing and clarifying 10 words of his control-freak administration this week: “I think at some point you have made enough money.” Peddling financial regulatory reform at a rally in Quincy, Ill., Obama then ad-libbed peculiar definitions of what he called the “American way” and the profit motive: “(Y)ou can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy.”
Fundamental lesson of Capitalism 101: Governments and bureaucrats don’t make what people want and need. They only get in the way. It is individuals, cooperating peacefully and voluntarily, working together without mandate or central design, who produce the world’s goods and services. They make what people desire and demand for themselves, not what Obama and his imperial overlords ordain that the masses should have.
As usual, Obama’s populist demagoguery is telling in its omissions and selectivity. While he lectures on the morality of salary caps for everyone else, his own cabinet is filled with fabulously wealthy CEOs and statist creatures who have parlayed government employment (a “good” service) into private gain as lobbyists, consultants and advisers (“core responsibilities of the financial system”) and then back again to public stints. Revolving doors have always grown the Beltway economy.
To wit: Austan Goolsbee, head of Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, is the 15th wealthiest member of the Obama administration, with assets valued at between $1,146,000 to $2,715,000. He also pulled in a University of Chicago salary of $465,000 and additional wages and honoraria worth $93,000, according to the Washingtonian magazine.
What “good” did he provide? The government research fellow and Obama campaign adviser was a champion of extending credit to the un-creditworthy. In a 2007 op-ed for The New York Times, he derided those who called subprime mortgages “irresponsible.” He preferred to describe them as “innovations in the mortgage market” to expand the pool of homebuyers. Now this wrong-headed academic who espoused government policies that fed the housing feeding frenzy is in charge of fixing the loose-credit mess he advocated. This is the “American way”?
After 16 years in Congress, four years in the Clinton administration as budget director and chief of staff, and a lifetime of schmoozing in the halls of power, Obama’s CIA director, Leon Panetta, cashed in big. He’s sitting on up to $4 million in assets. While he has zero experience in intelligence matters, he has extensive experience in parlaying his past political tours of duty into lucrative speaking gigs, consulting fees and stock options. Welcome to Obama-approved entrepreneurship.
By Obama’s definition, first lady Michelle Obama is a model capitalist. Remember: After serving with real estate mogul Valerie Jarrett in Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley’s administration, Mrs. Obama took a post at the University of Chicago Medical Center, where Jarrett was serving as vice-chair of the medical center’s board of trustees. Mrs. Obama was promoted in 2005 after her husband won his U.S. Senate race with Jarrett’s invaluable aid. As “vice president for community and external affairs” and head of the “business diversity program,” her annual compensation nearly tripled from $122,000 in 2004 to $317,000 in 2005. Even after she went on leave in 2007 to help her husband on the presidential campaign trail, the hospital paid Mrs. Obama $62,709 in 2008, prompting one skeptic to ask: “We know this is Chicago, but isn’t $63,000 quite a lot for a no-show job?”
Jarrett, of course, is now White House senior adviser to the chief spender of other people’s money. And the first lady is now using her new taxpayer-funded position not only to tell folks how they should eat, but also which “good” restaurants and groceries should be built in their neighborhoods.
If there were any doubts left about the Obamas’ ideological commitment to wealth redistribution and a command-and-control economy, those doubts have been thoroughly removed. We have a commander-in-chief who presumes to know when you have earned “enough,” who believes that only those who provide what he deems “good” products and services should “keep on making it,” and who has determined that the role of American entrepreneurs is not to pursue their own self-interest, but to fulfill their “core” responsibility as dutiful growers of the collective economy.
That famous mock-up poster of Obama as the creepy socialist Joker never seemed more apt.
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C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 11:13 am: |
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I'm sorry Bubby, but I don't consider Michelle Malkin a very credible source to be quoting here; after her being fired from the O'Reilly Factoiod for her viscious attack on a twelve year old accident victim over health care, and the fact that she's just another right-wing nut job who just projects insane sound bites and has no substance. Examples: In joking about Hillary Clinton becoming Secty. Of State she said, "Maybe she'll actually get shot this time." Her reaction to how Obama got elected, "It's because stupid people voted." I could go on and on, but why waste time on just another Ann Coulter wannabe. The point is she is far from being any kind of credible source to quote. But, since you insist on doing so, Bubby, I will address her points.
"Governments and bureaucrats don’t make what people want and need. They only get in the way. It is individuals, cooperating peacefully and voluntarily, working together without mandate or central design, who produce the world’s goods and services. They make what people desire and demand for themselves, not what Obama and his imperial overlords ordain that the masses should have."
The key words here are "without mandate or central design." This is exactly what has gotten us into trouble and caused the almost collapse of our whole economic system. As I stated before, Big business cannot be trusted to behave properly or fairly on their own. They are just too greedy and will undermine the very workers that are creating their wealth. We need government regulation to keep business honest and to protect the American way of life. The proof is right in front of us but so many are in denial. We gave business free reign and they brought us to the brink of destruction. When business was regulated, everyone was doing okay and America was thriving. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
"While he lectures on the morality of salary caps for everyone else, his own cabinet is filled with fabulously wealthy CEOs
In this and the following paragraphs, she trys to suggest that Obama's administation and even his wife are Capitalists llke everyone else. Well isn't this true of every administration and their staff? The point is she is trying to discredit Obama for even attempting to make things better than they were. What matters are his actions. He is taking action to try and change these poiicies, to put a stop to the status quo and make things fair and equitable for all hard-working Americans who want the American dream, and not just leave the spoils to the rich and super-rich. I'm sorry, Bubby, but I just don't see this as anything but a positive thing.
Trying to help your fellow man, whether he/she be poor, middle-class or upper-class does not make you a socialist, communist, dictator, or any of the other derogatory remarks you would like to throw at someone. It just doesn't. There are some intelligent people in charge of this country (for a change), who are trying to do some good for us all. Try giving them a chance instead of just stomping your feet and attempting to stomp them into the ground because you lost the election this time and want to just wah wah wah whine...  |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 12:43 pm: |
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Intelligent people in charge??? Where??? Half of them have had to resign from tax evasion and corruptness..He has nothing but tax cheats running his show..Chicago thug politics all over again.Keep drinking that Muslim koolaid... |
C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 03:44 pm: |
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Like usual, because you can't debate, you just throw cheap shots and call people names. I guess we're still in the 4th grade here. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 04:56 pm: |
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Whats to debate?It's the truth....you saw it on the MSM.Who did I call a name? Did I call someone a name? Oh,you mean the people that cheated on their taxes and had to resign? Gee,maybe I should have called them undesirable appointee's incapable of telling the truth to the IRS.I can't imagine why you would remain in the fourth grade.Hmmmm....Chicago Thugs? Don't tell me you are not aware of Chicago Thug politics? Al Capone will disown you.His Show? Yeah ,that's a dirty name...shame on you Bub... |
C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 08:39 am: |
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Intelligent people in charge??? Where??? Half of them have had to resign from tax evasion and corruptness..He has nothing but tax cheats running his show..Chicago thug politics all over again.Keep drinking that Muslim koolaid...
Muslim koolaid? What does that mean? And you forgot already; I told you, koolaid is only available at Fox News. 
Whats to debate?It's the truth....you saw it on the MSM.Who did I call a name? Did I call someone a name? Oh,you mean the people that cheated on their taxes and had to resign? Gee,maybe I should have called them undesirable appointee's incapable of telling the truth to the IRS.I can't imagine why you would remain in the fourth grade.Hmmmm....Chicago Thugs? Don't tell me you are not aware of Chicago Thug politics? Al Capone will disown you.His Show? Yeah ,that's a dirty name...shame on you Bub...
I thought this was a political discussion forum. I guess I was wrong. It is just a Bubby rants forum. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:36 am: |
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Hey Steven,this is not a rant...not even close.Just telling the truth,unless you can deny all of the resignations.I use to have a rants...150 acres of prime property.I thought we were debating? You explained to me how you worship Obama and I responded with all of his tax cheaters that he has in place that are pushing his agenda on a country that doesn't want it...isn't that a discussion?How many of his staff had to resign over tax cheating and being a raving communist?
You are just upset that I don't change my mind about this narcisstic wannabe and agree with your perceptions of your hero and what you think he has accomplished.His accomplishments are the destruction of this country as quickly as possible.When will you recognize him as a Muslim
that should not even be elgible for the presidency? Never,of course.Your MSM worships him because they are paid to do so.
Hey,its your perogative to adore him..not mine!
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C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:14 am: |
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I never said I worship Obama, I never said he was my hero and I never said I adore him, so stop putting words in my mouth. Here you go again... "raving communist, narcissistic wannabe, muslim." Like I said, you don't discuss anything, you just rant, complain, accuse, attack and name call.
In all of these threads you have not yet had a real discussion with me on any of the points I brought up.
In your current immature rant if there is anything like a discussion point, I guess it would be... "pushing his agenda on a country that doesn't want it." I don't know what YOU mean by that, but it is certainly not true. His agenda included the economic stimulis; the vast majority of the country wanted that. Health care reform; the majority of the country wanted that. Now, financial reform; the majority of the country wants that. I don't know what majority you are talking about, but the majority of the country we live in voted and polled in favor of all of these agendas. And again I say, he has accomplished an awful lot of good things in his first year, especially for a President that came in under the huge pressure of a collapsing economy, caused by the biggest deficit in history (created in 8 short years by the previous administration) and the corruption of the banking industry and wall street. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 11:27 am: |
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"His agenda included the economic stimulis; the
vast majority of the country wanted that. Health care reform; the
majority of the country wanted that. Now, financial reform; the
majority of the country wants that. I don't know what majority you are
talking about, but the majority of the country we live in voted and
polled in favor of all of these agendas. "
Which poll have you been reading...the MSM poll?
Please show me someplace where the majority of the country is backing him! That's absolute nonsense.
Every poll I have seen has said just the opposite of what you are espousing.Where do you get your info? From Huffington Post or MoveOn.org?
You cannot blame Bush for everything.The Democrats approved of this war and they also were in charge of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which was piloted by limp wristed Barney Franks.THAT is what brought this country to it's knee's.Giving home loans to people that couldn't afford house payments.Why couldn't he let GMC go to bankruptcy?? Because the Liberals wanted to own the car companies and the banks.They screwed it up and now they want to blame it all on Bush. Go look at Maxine Waters on YOU Tube,declaring the Liberals will be taking over the gas companies and she called it SOCIALISM!!! You do your homework and stop trying to push Obama down my throat. Remember Socialism? Your favorite college class? |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 11:34 am: |
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Here you go Steven...your socialist grande dame of the Liberal party..
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/maxine-waters-d-slip-of-the-tongue-reveal s-true-intentions/e493f38cb5019afc08efe493f38cb5019afc08ef-56446813377 |
C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 03:55 pm: |
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The MSM poll? You keep mentioning MSM Bubby. What is that?
Here is the Gallup Poll (accepted as the most reputable mainstream poll) on the stimulis package: By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Americans overwhelmingly want Congress to pass an economic stimulus bill, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, but expectations are low that it will help their families or turn the economy around this year.
Two-thirds of those surveyed predict that Obama's package of tax cuts and new spending would boost the nation's economy, at least by a little. When it comes to their own family finances, though, half say it either would have no effect or even make things worse.
"It's sort of paradoxical: They're both supportive and pessimistic," says Charles Franklin, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who studies public opinion. Still, President Obama "has been saying this is going to be a long process, so maybe it's not so surprising that voters would pick up the idea that there's no quick fix.
In the poll, Obama's job-approval rating is 64%, and about an equal percentage say he's moving at the right speed to address the major problems facing the country.
On a list of significant steps the new president has taken to break with the Bush administration, three of four Americans express approval for several of them, including naming special envoys for the Middle East and for Afghanistan and Pakistan, curbing the role of lobbyists in his administration and instituting higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars."
Again, here's a link to the Gallup Poll on Health Care Reform: 56% of Americans favored it while only 12% opposed it... http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-13-poll-health-care_N.htm
And here's the Gallup Poll again AFTER the Health Care Bill was passed showing Americans still favored it: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm
And again, the Gallup Poll shows that the majority of Americans support the Finance Reform Bill: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/93433-a-maj ority-of-americans-support-financial-regulatory-reform-poll-says
So, you can clearly see which polls I have been reading.
As for the Maxine Waters thing, Wow Bubby, I never saw that. That was quite a clip. I'm not sure what she was getting at, it didn't seem like she was too clear either. All I can say is, thank goodness our laws aren't decided in our country by one representative. As they say, opinions are like ... ... well, you know what I mean. Thanks for showing me that.
Cheers,
Steven 
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 04:31 pm: |
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http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1849
The gallup poll is liberal based opinions |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 06:03 pm: |
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64%?? Stop drinking the cool-aid.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044. html
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/dai ly_presidential_tracking_poll
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/oba ma_approval_index_history |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 06:05 pm: |
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The reason his approval rating is down is because people do not like what he has in the Health Care Bill...
BTW...Gallup polls predicited a Liberal win In New Jersey and Virginia...wooooooooops!!! |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 08:49 pm: |
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Also...they lost Massachusetts (Ted Kennedys seat)to a Conservative.What do all of these states have in common? Obama came to each of those states and campaigned for the Liberals. Are you beginning to realize the majority of the people dislike him? Of course not.Not as long as the MSM (Main stream media)gets paid handsomely for touting his many skills.He couldn't manage a ice cream parlor,let alone a nation.Gallup polls consist of calling a maximum amount of Liberals ,and a minimun amount of Conservatives.That's the way it works,Steve.
You can throw pie charts and graphs all day,and none of it matters.
S-Stop
T-Tyranny
O-Obama
P-Pelosi
Impeach Obama for shredding the Constitution |
C_steven_blue
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Username: C_steven_blue
| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:40 pm: |
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Even according to your own posted poll, there is no time in Obama's presidency so far where his disapproval rating has been higher than his approval rating...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
Your poll shows the weekly poll ratings for every week from the beginning of his presidency up to now, and his approval rating is higher than his disapproval rating in EVERY SINGLE WEEK! |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:56 pm: |
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It's all in your head Steven...conduct your own poll.Call all of your Liberal friends and ask them if they approve or disaprove....Thats what Gallup does.Monkey see monkey do. |
C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:15 pm: |
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Hey, you posted the poll, not me! |
Bubby
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Username: Bubby
| | Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 10:39 pm: |
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Your reading the wrong poll again.Polls don't mean a thing,Steven...see my last post...comment on why the Libs lost New Jersey and Virginia and Ted kennedys seat.Doesn't that tell you anything? Polls are a moot point.They don't prove anything.Personally I give him a D-
You can grade him anyway you want to...he is a big tax spender.Where is your stimulus that you were bragging about? Why did he send the Palestinians millions of dollars to feed Hamas?
Thats our money he is sending them.Does that create jobs? No! Why is he pounding our strongest ally in the middle east? We have always supported Israel and now he doesn't want to offend his Muslim brothers. Wake up and smell the truth.HE IS A MUSLIM....hello...the same people we are at war with.He does nothing about Iran,while they continue to build a nuclear weapon and has threatened to blow Israel off the map.
Are you a hater of Israel also? Like Obummer?
Do you think they should be wiped off the face of the earth? Your presidents friends think so. |
C_steven_blue
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Username: C_steven_blue
| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:15 am: |
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Excuse me, but part of my family is Jewish. Like I said, you know nothing about me so stop making so many assumptions.
You're calling the President of the United States a muslim. What's the matter with you Bubby? Obviously you drink way to much of the Fox Koolaid.
Look, the bottom line is this: He is your President and my President. There is no way he could ever be as bad for this country as Bush & Cheney were (who both should be in jail, by the way). So just relax and enjoy the ride. And don't forget to keep on drinking your Fox Koolaid.
Later,
Steven |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:21 am: |
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Here is your glorious Marxist president in action..
Obama Sniper Teams Ordered to Rooftops To Quash Radical Tea Party Protest (Video) - Big Government
http://biggovernment.com:80/jhoft/2010/04/29/obama-sniper-teams-ordered-to-rooft ops-to-quash-radical-tea-party-protest-video/ |
Dawa
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:36 am: |
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photos and footage not shown here included armed protestors...don't deny them their right to bear arms...but if we hippies had guns while protesting i imagine the reaction would be even stronger...we chain ourselves to trees and get maced!
also worth noting is that no other president in recent times...the last forty years...has received as many death threats and terror plots against him.
even while only campaigning, some white supremacists plotted to kill a 'bunch of n*ggers'
culminating their murderous rampage with assassinating then candidate obama
moon spirit
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 08:56 am: |
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Another convienent lie.There were no armed protestors at the meeting.This is just Obamas way of eleminating the competition.Prove to me,their was an armed t bagger there.I have been to several t party events and they are comprised of all races,religions and political persuasions.Many blacks,hispanics and even a smattering of Liberals.Every event I have attended was peaceful, and are designed to let the government know that they don't agree with what this administration is doing to this country.Yet the Liberal press has taken it on themselves to demonize these peaceful protestors...and this crap about someone using the N word is just more hate speech by the media.
There are some blacks at the meetings,and they are never disrespected.You've been listening to Keith Doberman the idiot again.Using stupid commiedienes to do your news is tantamount to
playing hopscotch with a fire hydrant.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19291&utm_source=newsletter&utm _medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 09:08 am: |
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"You're calling the President of the United States a muslim. What's the matter with you Bubby? Obviously you drink way to much of the Fox Koolaid." Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim name and he is a Muslim brother to all of Islam.Do you see how he caters to Islamic nations and slams Israel for building new homes?
Thats like telling Italy or France that they are no longer allowed to build new homes.It's Israeli land and they will continue to build on it.If you have Jewish relatives,I'm sure they are happy with your Obama connection..
Rave on Buddy Holly
p.s. Fox cool aid is better than the drive by media |
Col13x
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 09:29 am: |
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I get this message on my email.. "where are all the Obama supporters ? ... maybe they all realised that Obama is just another NWO front man... and what hurts the most is that they fell for all the lies, yet again... but this time from a black man... you see what happened was... they realised the Bush administration had lied to them, cheated them and generally duped them.. so they latched all their hope on a "black man" as in... oooo we've never had a black president before.... he's gonna be tops....
christ almighty... it was a forgone conclusion that the U.S would either vote for a black man or a woman this time around... funny eh.. in all American history never has there been a black man black woman or woman running for the presidency...
and after the fall out from 9 11... and the cover up ... what was going to take the minds of the American populace off of the suddenly all too real criminal activities of their own government.... ah yes.. I know... lets give them a black man or woman to vote for... that'll apppease their sense of righteousness.. and hey.. see.. look.. we are marching into the modern era ... at last...
America... up until the early 1960's was still practicing apartheid but in the 1970's condemning it in south Africa... instead of standing by shamefacedly ... for having shot Dr Martin Luther King ...
and while the government of America is running a program of pollution on every level of food, air and water you wonder.. where did all the Obama supporters go.... perhaps most of them woke up to the truth... and perhaps its about time you woke up to...
terrorism a lie a myth
global warming a lie a myth
9 11 was orchestrated by the U.S government
only a sucker would believe the media television and opinions...spouted like its the truth... PAH ! truth.. !
Obama .... what did they do .. elect a black man to save them ? did they think because he's black he would have some idea or clue to relieving the oppression they feel ... the fact that they elect politicians at all, shows how mired they are in refusing to take responsibility for themselves..
some day ... a president will be elected, who lives on $2.00 a day... at that point we will be able to say, we have become aware of who our leaders should be
Until then... you elected the idiot, live with it
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C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:08 am: |
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Hi Col13x;
Two small points here:
We have had women and black men run for the presidency before, not that they had a chance then; think Jessie Jackson and Josephine Farrero.
I don't believe Obama is an idiot. I think he is an educated, highly intelligent individual; certainly moreso then what we had for the previous 8 years. |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:26 pm: |
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Unprecedented, and for a reason
May 2, 2010 Posted by Paul at 11:04 PM
There's much that's odd about the passage of Obamacare, including the fact that it was enacted without a single Republican vote. Jeffrey Anderson, having pored through a month's worth of Rasmussen polling data, points to perhaps the most significant peculiarity - independent voters favor repealing Obamacare by a margin of 20 percentage points.
58 percent of independents would like to see the new health care law repealed, while 38 percent oppose repeal. Similarly, those who strongly favor repeal out-number those who strongly oppose it by a margin of 48 percent to 28 percent. The fact that almost 80 percent of those who have an opinion have a strong one suggests that (a) the public mood on the subject is unlikely to change any time soon and (b) this is a bad issue on which to be bucking the public mood.
As Anderson observes, while those on the political extremes might not like a given piece of legislation, normally those in the center will be reasonably happy with it - otherwise Congress wouldn't have passed it in the first place. But that manifestly is not the case here. Congressional Democrats ignored the views of centrist voters - the ones who determine the outcome of elections - to a degree that may well be unprecedented in the annals of legislation. They are likely soon to be reminded why such audacity is unprecedented.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcar e/march_2010/health_care_law
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 06:32 pm: |
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Naaaaahh...nothing to worry about...
http://content.eaglepub.com:80/?laraZFzl4YyeCeencFa92iMliHWsANMRl |
Bubby
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| | Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 10:26 pm: |
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More Liberal moral issues
Supreme Court declines to hear Lesbian couple's suit against Boy Scouts
A lesbian couple and an agnostic couple are suing to prevent the Boy Scouts from using public land. The Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal in the case, which returns to the Ninth Circuit.
Boy Scouts carried US flags during a march in Sacramento, Calif., to celebrate the youth group's first 100 years on Oct. 24, 2009. The organization is currently involved in a legal dispute with two couples in San Diego, who argue that the Boy Scouts are a religious group and should not be allowed to use city land. The US Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear an appeal from the Boy Scouts.
Newscom
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By Warren Richey, Staff writer / May 3, 2010
A lesbian couple and an agnostic couple in San Diego have legal standing to sue the Boy Scouts to force the group to stop using prime city land for camping and other scouting activities.
The US Supreme Court on Monday let stand an earlier ruling by the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals, which sided with the two couples. The couples object to Boy Scout policies that exclude boys and adults who are atheists, agnostics, or homosexuals.
In refusing to take up the Boy Scouts’ appeal, the high court action returns the case to the San Francisco-based Ninth Circuit.
The action follows last week’s high court decision in a similar case involving objections to an eight-foot-tall cross on public land in the Mojave National Preserve.
In that case, the court found that a former National Park Service employee had a legal right to file a lawsuit challenging the presence of the cross on public land as an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by government.
But the court also ruled that a federal judge had been too quick to dismiss a congressional plan to convert the public land around the cross into a private parcel in exchange for similar land elsewhere. The court went on to say that not every display of a religious symbol on public land violates the First Amendment’s establishment clause.
The details of the case
In the San Diego case, a federal judge has ruled that a $1-a-year lease arrangement between the City of San Diego and the Boy Scouts for a Boy Scout-run campground and aquatic center violated the establishment clause.
The judge ruled that the Boy Scouts were the equivalent of a religious group, in part because the Boy Scout oath urges its members to do their “duty to God and [their] country.”
The Boy Scouts have been the target of a series of similar lawsuits seeking to drive the organization from public lands and public facilities because of its anti-gay policies.
In 2000, the Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts had a First Amendment right to associate with like-minded individuals in a group that promoted certain religious and moral views – including that homosexuality was immoral.
Personal injury or contrived claim?
At issue in Boy Scouts v. Barnes-Wallace was whether the two couples had established a right to file their lawsuit by showing that the legal action was based on more than just a policy dispute.
Under federal court rules, a plaintiff in a lawsuit must show that he or she has suffered a concrete, personal injury rather that a mere difference of opinion.
The Boy Scout campsite and aquatic center were built by the scouting organization for an estimated $4.9 million. In addition to providing scouts with a place to camp and participate in water activities, the facilities are also open to the public for a fee.
The couples said they would like to use those portions of the public parks, but that they were so offended by the exclusionary policies of the Boy Scouts that they avoid those sections of the parks.
awyers for the couples say their clients are personally affected by the Boy Scout leases because the required public access fees “amount to a toll payable to a discriminatory, religious organization to use public property.”
The families cannot visit those sections of the parks “without gaining approval from and submitting themselves under dominion and control of an organization that openly rejects their beliefs and sexual orientation,” Washington lawyer Seth Galanter wrote in his brief. “Even if they did access it, their enjoyment would be diminished by having to view symbols of the [Boy Scouts’] presence and dominion on the land.”
Lawyers for the Boy Scouts said the families’ claim is “contrived.” The families choose not to visit certain sections of the city parks, the lawyers said, because they’d have to “interact with people they don’t like.” The lawyers added that any alleged injury was of the families’ own making.
Fireworks in the Ninth Circuit
Although the Supreme Court dismissed the case without comment, the issue sparked vigorous debate when it was decided earlier at the Ninth Circuit.
“Today, our court promulgates an astonishing new rule of law for the nine Western states. Henceforth, a plaintiff who claims to feel offended by the mere thought of associating with people who hold different views has suffered a legally cognizable injury-in-fact,” wrote Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain in a dissent. He added that the Ninth Circuit decision “creates a new legal landscape in which almost anyone who is almost offended by almost anything has standing to air his or her displeasure in court.”
In a concurrence to the Ninth Circuit opinion, Judge Marsha Berzon rejected suggestions that the dispute was a minor “disagreement.”
She wrote: “There is not merely offense here but injury too. To use Camp Balboa and the Mission Bay Park Youth Aquatic Center, the plaintiffs must not just observe the presence of the Boy Scouts, but also interact with, seek permission from, and quite significantly, pay fees to, this same organization that believes them inferior in both morals and citizenship.”
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C_steven_blue
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In a post above, Col13x stated that...
9/11 was orchestrated by the U.S government.
I don't know if that is true. Although we have all heard various conspiracy theories, most believe them to be bunk. However, here are some interesting facts to consider:
Fact: It was the Saudi Arabians that attacked us on 9/11. All 19 terrorists were Saudi Nationals.
Fact: The Bush family has been in the oil business partnered with the Saudi's for at least three generations of Bushes.
Fact: On 9/11, Papa Bush was in a meeting with family of Bin Laden about their oil interests.
Fact: Immediately after 9/11 happened, all air traffic was stopped in the U.S.
Fact: Although the avove is true, the day after 9/11, Bush had Bin Laden's family flown out of the country.
Fact: There was no air defense response to the 9/11 attacks by the U.S. military.
Fact: All air traffic control tapes with information about the attacking planes were destroyed by the government and F.B.I. Why?
Fact: All building collapses in New York at ground zero were exactly as planned explosion collapses. Sources were quoted to the New York Fire Dept. that these were in fact planned building collapse explosions (a controlled fall, I think is what they actually call them).
Fact: There was no plane wreckage found in any of the photos of the Pentagon explosion.
Although all of the above are known facts, there are no official explanations for any of these strange events.
Makes one think, doesn't it?
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A couple more facts:
Fact: Long before George W. Bush became President, he stated that his Daddy had wasted his political capitol after the Gulf War. W. said that if he were ever to become a war President, he would not make that mistake. He would make the most of that political capitol to get through everything he wanted to accomplish.
Fact: 9/11 allowed W. to lie us into a war in Iraq. He then, being a war President, pushed through everything he wanted to accomplish as a war President, including taking away one of the most precious rights of U.S. citizenship, Habeas Corpus: the right to representation.
Makes one think, doesn't it?
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Bubby
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Posted by C_steven_blue on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:26 am:
In a post above, Col13x stated that... 9/11 was orchestrated by the U.S government. I don't know if that is true. Although we have all heard various conspiracy theories, most believe them to be bunk.
- I do. Anyone who believes 9/11 was orchestrated by the US Govt. is either a fool or a Muslim or both.
However, here are some interesting facts to consider:
- These are not FACTS. They are statements and most are WRONG!!
Fact: False : It was the Saudi Arabians that attacked us on 9/11. All 19 terrorists were Saudi Nationals.
- 15 of the 19 were Saudi Nationals. Search the internet for “9/11 and Terrorist Travel - Staff Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States”. They were all Muslim though!
Fact: False The Bush family has been in the oil business partnered with the Saudi's for at least three generations of Bushes.
- Bogus political hack story with no foundation in truth from any reputable source and spread by lefty wackos. While at least two of the Bushs were in the oil business they were not “Partners with the Sauds”. There is no legitimate news/biographical source for this claim.
Fact: False On 9/11, Papa Bush was in a meeting with family of Bin Laden about their oil interests.
- On 9/11 George H. W Bush was on an airplane trip with his wife and secret service on the way to Washington DC when the attack happened. Their plane was held on the ground in Milwaukee. Like everyone else that day they were grounded. http://www.de-fact-o.com/fact_read.php?id=17
Fact: False Immediately after 9/11 happened, all air traffic was stopped in the U.S.
- Not quite. At 9:50 am the South Tower collapses. At 10:28 or 10:29 am the North Tower Collapses. At 10:10 am on 9/11 the FAA ordered all planes to land at nearest airports BUT at 10:31 the FAA allows all military and police flights to continue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._military_response_during_the_September_11_atta cks
Fact: False : Although the above is true, the day after 9/11, Bush had Bin Laden's family flown out of the country.
- False - its an Urban Legend. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp, http://www.factcheck.org/article294.html, 9/11 Commission (page 329):
Fact: False There was no air defense response to the 9/11 attacks by the U.S. military.
- Wrong there was a response - the first of the to-be hijacked flights took off around 7:59 am. At 8:37 am FAA at Boston notified Norad who ordered 2, F-15s from Otis Air National Guard Base in MA - 153 miles away and they took off around 8:52 am. Later Military F16 flights took off from Langley and arrived over DC just before 10:00 am
Fact: Huh!! All air traffic control tapes with information about the attacking planes were destroyed by the government and F.B.I. Why?
- and on what page in the “9/11 Commission Report” was this listed? I mean really they played them day and night right after 9/11!!
http://pdfhacks.com/911Report/pdfportal-1.0/pdffile.php?pdf=/911Report/911Report .pdf
Fact: False All building collapses in New York at ground zero were exactly as planned explosion collapses. Sources were quoted to the New York Fire Dept. that these were in fact planned building collapse explosions.
- Rumor and Urban legend. I believe the governemtn before the likes of Charlie Sheen. Popular mechanics had a good write-up on the event if you care to read it http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
Fact: False There was no plane wreckage found in any of the photos of the Pentagon explosion.
- Surveillance film footage was shown on MSNBC.
- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818225/
- http://debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon
Although all of the above are known facts, there are no official explanations for any of these strange events.
- They are not known facts but Urban Legends made up and fed to gullible saps like you!
Makes one think, doesn't it?
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Here's some interesting reading for anyone with an open mind...
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/reynolds/replies/revisiting_p1.html
and part 2...
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=we_have_holes
and the Pentagon...
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/hufschmid/PentagonPlaneCrash.html
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Bubby
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 08:43 am: |
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If one wanted to,he could move a mountain with faith... |
C_steven_blue
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 08:53 am: |
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Faith, oh yes... the faith that we will recover. The faith that there will be a better day. The faith that my new grandson will be healthy and strong, as well as my daughter, who almost died giving birth. I am so relieved and my faith and hope does carry me.  |
Bubby
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People with opened minds could believe in religion too....but some don't...obviously.Sorry about your daugter.I have had many deaths in my family,but it's just a natural process.You were never designed to last forever.I had rather die believing in God than to die without that belief.My choice.You have one also. |
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